I remember a long discussion I had with some Xtians on another forum about prayer studies. They thought that anecdotal evidence of prayer working was enough to prove God existed. I did not.
Me "hypothetically, if we know a God exists and you prayed to him and your injury got better, how do you determine if the cause was God".
Xtian "you can't".
Me "so somehow in the hypothetical situation with God existing, you are less able to know that God performed the healing, than in the current scenario where we don't know whether God exists or not"
Xtian, completely missing the point "But we prayed, then my injury got better".
Utterly fucking pointless. Back then I put a lot of effort into trying to tie them down into making some sort of logical or factual statement that we could both understand. Given they could never manage this, it became a waste of time fairly quickly.
Me "hypothetically, if we know a God exists and you prayed to him and your injury got better, how do you determine if the cause was God".
Xtian "you can't".
Me "so somehow in the hypothetical situation with God existing, you are less able to know that God performed the healing, than in the current scenario where we don't know whether God exists or not"
Xtian, completely missing the point "But we prayed, then my injury got better".
Utterly fucking pointless. Back then I put a lot of effort into trying to tie them down into making some sort of logical or factual statement that we could both understand. Given they could never manage this, it became a waste of time fairly quickly.