(May 8, 2014 at 2:12 pm)Tonus Wrote: My point about the larval worm was just to say that there may not have been a creative force directing the birth of the universe and its development into its present form. At least if we treat creation as a deliberate and purposeful act. Otherwise, gravity probably had a hand in the first creative act.I know you point is valid and acceptable. But you are still reffering to the first creative act. There is an eternity before that. All the things that lead to the first creative act cannot be ignored. And where did all those things come from. See we are inside a loop. We need something outside this loop of time and space.
Quote:I'm sure he is. But "simple" on his level is extraordinarily complex, if we are crediting him with creating the universe and everything in it.Yes this debate comes after we accept that there is something eternal. This is an entire topic of understanding God.
Some basic ideas :
See the simplicity and complexity