(May 8, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Tonus Wrote: Do we? What if the universe is an eternal, self-perpetuating construct?Yes. Then the questions comes how.
Quote:But what if the universe is that eternal thing? What if it changes states when it runs out of energy and collapses on itself? Or perhaps each universe simply spawns more universes before it dies, and it's just an eternal chain of universes being formed?You just brought us back to step one of this discussion.
Without evidence of god, I am free to imagine a universe that does not require her to exist. Our inability to comprehend eternity and the possibility that something exists outside of space and time makes just about any theory possible. And if history shows us anything, it's that we have come up with seemingly endless explanations for how a god, or gods, created everything we are aware of (which is to say, ancient men limited creation to their lands, then to the Earth, and so on).
I don't like calling someone's argument fallacious. But this has many fallacies.
First of all you are still thinking inside if the loop, you say if its happening since eternity then I can ask what about the first. You need a start. Something that was before everything. Otherwise you won't get anywhere
Since you have presented a theory the burden of proof lies on you :p. I am anxious to see how you prove yourself correct.