Pro-life atheists

[Losty]

What baby?

What suffering?

What if I don't want it hanging out inside my body, sucking up up all of my nutrients that I need to survive, causing weight gain and muscle displacement, and risking my life in labor and delivery?

As the owner of my body, my view is that another beings right to live ends when it infringes on mine. What if a person was dying and the could survive by hooking up a mock umbilical cord to you and taking nutrients from your body? Should you be obligated to allow this because their life is as valuable as yours?
Also, being alive and being a baby is not the same thing.

How many children who have suffered unspeakable horrors and deaths at the hands of unloving parents could have been spared such pain and suffering if their mothers would have had abortions?


A 12 year old enduring a pregnancy and labor is dangerous and could potentially be completely traumatizing. I know you love your brother but one case is not an argument. How young, do you think, is too young to be expected to carry to term and risk her life delivering a baby so your feelings won't get hurt? What if she's nine and suffering PTSD after being continually raped and abused by some family member. Should she be forced to carry a reminder around for 10 months risking her life, because you think her fetus' life is just as valuable as hers?

PTSD is an extremely abused term, as a Service member diagnosed with it, I'd ask you to use it more wisely next time. I will take a 9 year old giving birth to watching brothers in arms being blown apart in front of you, watching your friend of many years dying before your eyes with limbs detached after being in an IED and coming home wondering why you made it out and he didn't, waking up screaming in the night, seeing the worst thing you can imagine reply in your mind over and over again, to the point where you try suicide.

I somehow for some reason don't buy into Civilian PTSD, Oh I was in a fender bender now I have PTSD or I gave birth an I have PTSD. I don't see them being in the same multiverse.

I'd say the rape would be more traumatic than the birth. Sorry if that offends you (Hope it doesn't infringe upon your life would not want to be killed off)

Anyway it throws you that you said what you said about your owning your body. What baby? funny? No baby, no need to kill anything. No need for an abortion then right?

But to say it deserves to end if it bothers you. That is a bit sad

Edit: as for the continual rape, remove them from the house, treat the trauma (obviously there will be some), but you are onto something, at that age I do believe it would be of danger to the child, so some things can be avoided so I will give you the abortion permit slip on that but doesn't correlate to my point.

Oh please, take a freaking chill pill. I have never had an abortion and I don't plan to. I don't like the idea, but I certainly don't think a clump of cells' right to life should trump a female's right to not be an incubator if she doesn't wish to be.

Regardless of your ignorant opinion, civilian PTSD is a real thing. I really hate that attitude, oh I've seen 'worse' so your suffering doesn't count seems pretty egotistical and self centered to me. I don't pretend to know your pain, you shouldn't pretend to know mine or anyone else's.

"Anyway it throws you that you said what you said about your owning your body. What baby? funny? No baby, no need to kill anything. No need for an abortion then right?"
This made me chuckle a little. And abortion is not the killing of a baby it's is the removal/killing of a fetus. No baby no need to kill anything? What about tumors what about cancer? What about other parasites? What if someone has tapeworms? Is that life as valuable as theirs? Would you still say no baby no need to kill anything? No baby no need to get rid of the tapeworms?

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Also, just to clarify (since it apparently was not obvious )
This:
As the owner of my body, my view is that another beings right to live ends when it infringes on mine.
Means that another being's right to live ends when that being infringes on my right to live.
Nowhere did I say that I believe I have a right to kill something just because it offends me.