(May 23, 2014 at 3:15 am)Starvald Demelain Wrote:(May 22, 2014 at 11:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.
An omniscient God has literally infinite solutions at it's disposal... yet the Judeo-Christian God seems to be hung up on blood, gore, violence and absolutes. Seems rather small minded for a supposed all-knowing god wouldn't you say?
(May 22, 2014 at 11:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: Eve understood if she or Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that death would result, she understood what death was and that it was a punishment, scripture makes that very clear. Many atheist say they do not believe she ans Adam did anything wrong, yet God found both of them hiding in the Garden, they both believed they were wrong in what they did. So her punishment was just.
GC
Saying that Eve understood that she would receive punishment if she and her counterpart ate from the tree is irrelevant. Taking the scripture from a literal standpoint Adam and Eve had absolutely no knowledge of moral action (good & evil), so how could one hold another morally responsible for their actions if they literally knew no better?
That would be akin to holding a beast morally responsible for it's actions (like a lion eating a man).
Furthermore, who is really morally wrong in this situation? The mortals who did not have the capacity to understand the concepts of right and wrong, and how to apply said concepts to their actions, or the infinitely knowledgeable deity who knew that his creations would eat from the tree but still put it there in the bloody garden anyway? Sounds like a set-up to me...
I'm sure everything about Christianity sounds like a set-up to you, that's the result of a small mind that can not understand the bigger picture.
You also assume much about a God you do not believe in and have no idea of His purposes, you are a mad and sad person who balks at everything religious.
The lion thing is as stupid a thing as I've seen on this forum, Eve understood, she explained it to the serpent.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.