Is Eve in Hell right now?

[Godscreated]

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All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.
Eve understood if she or Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that death would result, she understood what death was and that it was a punishment, scripture makes that very clear. Many atheist say they do not believe she ans Adam did anything wrong, yet God found both of them hiding in the Garden, they both believed they were wrong in what they did. So her punishment was just.

GC

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Actually, an omniscient God couldn't justly punish anyone at all. If God knows when and where sins are going to be committed (and he does, you just said so yourself) but metes out punishment AFTER the sin takes places, that isn't justice, it is simply some bizarre form of divine entrapment.

Adam and Eve knew what they had done was wrong, but only after the fact - they had no way to know right from wrong until after they committed the act (eating the fruit) for which they were punished. The sin they committed was what gave them the knowledge to know that what they had JUST done was a sin, they couldn't possibly have known beforehand, regardless of what God told them. If God were interested in justice, he would have let them off with a finding of 'diminished capacity'.

Boru

Same old song and dance I've heard over the last four years and it still doesn't fly. They knew, even Adam explained it to Eve. How many more illogical conclusions can you and the others possibly come up with. You're even saying ans omniscient, omnipotent God could explain this to them, , get real.

GC

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All of God's punishments are just, an omniscient God could do nothing else.

Omniscience would not prevent him from taking any particular action, it only means that he had all of the information he needed in order to act. Nothing stops god from doing something wicked if he chooses, aside from the willingness of others to accept his actions as "good" regardless of what he does. In that sense, his treatment of Eve is "just."

If we just take the dry facts of the case (so to speak) it is pretty simple and straightforward, IMO: Eve's sin was that she disobeyed god. Eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not 'bad' in any other sense than that god told them not to do it, and told them what the penalty would be. The Bible makes pretty clear that the most important rule is to do as god commands. Adam and Eve did not, and paid the penalty that god promised, with only moderate changes.

There are two issues with this, as I see it. Boru already covered one of them, in that without the notion of good/evil or right/wrong, Eve could not have understood the ramifications of breaking the rule given by god. Her only motivation would have been the selfish desire to avoid death, and having that concern removed by the serpent's lie, she was easy prey. The second issue I referred to in my first post, which is that the rest of humanity forever and ever would not get the same opportunity that Adam and Eve got-- they would be born in a world that had been twisted to work against them, and with bodies that had been twisted to work against them, to the degree that they could not possibly determine for themselves whether or not they deserved to continue to live.

I stopped by to see what others were ranting about, it's good to see that you at least think about the situation instead of going off the deep end, I need to get some sleep have been up 24 hours, will get back to you when I can think clearly, thanks for your response.

GC