RE: Pro-life atheists
May 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm
(This post was last modified: May 27, 2014 at 6:50 pm by The Valkyrie.)
(May 27, 2014 at 6:22 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: You are all debating the wrong subject, really.
I think that the abortion debate is about whether a woman is able to buy the services of a doctor.
The only "value" I see in this debate is not the value of life, nor the value of choice, only the value of the fetus in relation to the doctor(service provider), that is money. Here, a fetus, and her carrier is nothing more than a source of money.
The pro-life people don't understand this, neither do the pro-choice people.
For me, abortion is not a moral choice. Its a choice of whether you can actually bear the responsibility of bringing a child into the world. Most women who have had abortions did the following: they paid a small price(in cash) to avoid further expanses(on a baby). So its nothing more than perhaps pure cold logic, and a means of disposing of a liability(economic or social) for them. There is no choice involved, but only...say calculation. How can there be any morals here to be discussed?
Similarly, discussing the life of a fetus is really moot. Yes, fetuses are technically alive. Though I'd say that pro-life activists are not tackling the root of the problem, as much as tackling the outcome.
The root problem is irresponsiblility. The root problem is stupidity. The root problem is out-of wedlock relationships, with outcomes that women cannot handle.
In my opinion, they should rename themselves pro-responsibility. Since this is a problem regarding society, we should look at fetuses in terms of where and how they stand in this. They are potential contributors to the human resource that fuels society. Given that, when does a fetus become a part of that society?
Actually, it is mostly about choice.
Certainly economics comes into it - a different take on part of your argument. But, from what I've seen, well off married women are as likely to get abortions as poor women - the main difference is that they can actually afford it.
In fact, I have not seen any credible evidence that unmarried women get more abortions than married women.
What has been stressed over and over again is the need for comprehensive sex education and access to birth control, both of which many pro-birthers are also opposed to, stressing instead so called "abstinance only education". Well, it's not education and it doesn't work.
As for responsibility: yes people should be more responsible, and many would be if they had the education, but many do not. And responsibility falls on BOTH partners, not just the woman. And since many studies have shown that sex for men and women is not only natural but healthy for all concerned, why should the woman be the one who has to abstain from what is also a very fun activity?
Finally, responsibility doesn't cover incidences of rape, incest or accidents - after all, no form of contraception is 100% and, of course, some people just get carried away: we are animals, after all, and sex is a strong instinct in us.
You know, if you were any more full of shit you'd be an overflowing sewer
Dying to live, living to die.
