(May 28, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Here is the definition of some[emphasis is mine]
Really, that's all you could find? Or, were those the only ones you could shoehorn into your argument. Color me unimpressed.
(May 28, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: some
səm/
determiner
determiner: some
1. an unspecified amount or number of.
"I made some money running errands"
2. used to refer to someone or something that is unknown or unspecified.
"she married some newspaper magnate twice her age"
Tell me again how fluent you are in English.
Apparently more fluent than you. Yet again you miss the context. Your buy-bull verse doesn't say "someone." If it did, you might have a case. "There are some among" is clearly not the same as "there is someone" (note the singular), "he made some money" (abstract) or "they suckered some fool into believing their bullshit" (note the singular context). Within the context of the buy-bull verse, some is a plural, despite your apologetics, bullshit and desperate need to wish it otherwise.
I found a few more definitions than you.
Quote:somehttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/some
1. being an undetermined or unspecified one: Some person may object.
2. (used with plural nouns) certain: Some days I stay home.
3. of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.: to some extent.
4. unspecified but considerable in number, amount, degree, etc.: We talked for some time. He was here some weeks.
5. Informal. of impressive or remarkable quality, consequence, extent, etc.: That was some storm.
pronoun
6. certain persons, individuals, instances, etc., not specified: Some think he is dead.
7. an unspecified number, amount, etc., as distinguished from the rest or in addition: He paid a thousand dollars and then some.
adverb
8. (used with numerals and with words expressing degree, extent, etc.) approximately; about: Some 300 were present.
9. Informal. to some degree or extent; somewhat: I like baseball some. She is feeling some better today.
10. Informal. to a great degree or extent; considerably: That's going some.
I also cited my source so you can go check that I'm not cherry picking or quote mining.
Number 6 above (bolded for you) is the best match for the context of the buy-bull verse. Notice it's plural, as is the case in your buy-bull verse or any "quote" where there isn't an implication of an individual.
Further, you failed to address the point that John didn't see jack shit, let alone the son-of-god coming in his kingdom or a new heaven and earth because he was describing a vision, not a reality. Full marks for spin and bullshit. Very poor marks indeed for making your case.
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