RE: Is Eve in Hell right now?
May 29, 2014 at 5:17 am
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2014 at 5:22 am by Confused Ape.)
(May 29, 2014 at 2:06 am)Godschild Wrote: The word ra' that is from ra'a' can be translated as evil, however that evil can come in many forms that are not moral evil, it can also be translated as calamity, dishonest, dishonor and many others of this likeness. The New American Standard has translated it as calamity, as not a moral evil.
The Old Testament was the Jewish people's holy book long before Christians got hold of it so they ought to know what the correct translation of the word is.
(May 29, 2014 at 2:06 am)Godschild Wrote: It's a dangerous thing to take a verse out of a story to defend a position and that verse actually has a different meaning, as in Deut. 30:15.
Did you read what the Outreach Judaism organisation is for? In case you didn't get the point here's more from the About Us page.
Quote:Rabbi Tovia Singer is well known as the Founder and Director of Outreach Judaism, an international organization dedicated to countering the efforts of fundamentalist Christian groups and cults who specifically target Jews for conversion.
A qualified teacher of Torah gave a few examples to explain the Jewish theological viewpoint.
CA Wrote:For the Jewish faith, Satan’s purpose in seducing man away from God poses no problem because Satan is only an agent of God. As a servant of the Almighty, Satan faithfully carries out the divine will of his Creator as he does in all his tasks.
(May 29, 2014 at 2:06 am)Godschild Wrote: The book of Job contradicts this notion, again I ask why would God create a being that could only ever deserve hell, no way to ever find God's grace?
I bolded the bit which answers your question about why God created Satan. Have you actually read the Book of Job? From the Outreach Judaism article -
Quote:In no part of the Bible is this principle more evident than in the Book of Job, where Satan’s role is prominent. In the first chapter of Job, Satan appears before the Almighty with a host of other angels. Satan suggests that Job’s righteousness was not fully tested. He argues that Job might lose his faith if he were confronted by personal pain and utter destitution. He proposes to God that Job serves Him simply because God protects him. Satan requested permission from God to test Job’s virtue. The Almighty grants this petition; however, He meticulously outlines for Satan what he may and may not do when testing Job. Satan obediently follows his Creator’s instructions.
God removes Job’s protection, allowing Satan to take his wealth, children, and his physical health in order to tempt Job to curse God. Job’s faith is challenged, and by the third chapter he begins to struggle. He questions his Maker as to why he was created and, in a moment of despair, wishes aloud that he had perished in his mother’s womb.
Despite his difficult circumstances, Job does not curse God, but rather, curses the day of his birth. And although he protests his plight and pleads for an explanation, he stops short of accusing God of injustice. Still, by the end of this unparalleled biblical narrative, Job’s virtue prevails over Satan’s unyielding blandishments.
Commenting on the Book of Job, the rabbis express sympathy for Satan’s difficult job, which was to “break the barrel but not spill any wine” (Talmud, Bava Basrah 16a).
I'm going to use the translation of Job from Chabad Org.
Quote:6. Now the day came about, and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord, and the Adversary, too, came among them.
7. The Lord said to the Adversary, "Where are you coming from?" And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth and from walking in it."
Didn't it ever strike you as odd that Satan/the Adversary could wander in and out of Heaven if he'd been thrown out of it?



