God's feeling of failure.

[Ravenshire]

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Really, that's all you could find? Or, were those the only ones you could shoehorn into your argument. Color me unimpressed.


Apparently more fluent than you. Yet again you miss the context. Your buy-bull verse doesn't say "someone." If it did, you might have a case. "There are some among" is clearly not the same as "there is someone" (note the singular), "he made some money" (abstract) or "they suckered some fool into believing their bullshit" (note the singular context). Within the context of the buy-bull verse, some is a plural, despite your apologetics, bullshit and desperate need to wish it otherwise.

I found a few more definitions than you.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/some
I also cited my source so you can go check that I'm not cherry picking or quote mining.

Number 6 above (bolded for you) is the best match for the context of the buy-bull verse. Notice it's plural, as is the case in your buy-bull verse or any "quote" where there isn't an implication of an individual.

Once again, the word "some" means an unspecified amount, and last time I looked 1 is an amount. "someone" would specify an individual, and "some people" would be plural, "some" by itself is unspecified.

Now if you want to be technical, you could safely assume that there were people there that read what John wrote therefore effectively seeing the same thing.

Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Further, you failed to address the point that John didn't see jack shit, let alone the son-of-god coming in his kingdom or a new heaven and earth because he was describing a vision, not a reality. Full marks for spin and bullshit. Very poor marks indeed for making your case.

Visions have always been a tool that God used to show his prophets future events.

Numbers 12
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

The only difference between a vision and a dream is, a vision occurs while you're awake.

Numbers 24
4 He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:


So yes, the end times were "revealed" to John by Jesus Christ through a vision.

The gospels of John weren't even written by the apostle.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorshi...nine_works

As far as Revelation:


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

The bible is full of authors pretending to be other authors while disguised as another author, 30-100+ years later, while gospels we can prove originated in the same area around 2 CE are voted out as "non canonical," including the Gospel of Mary, which actually would make Mark's commentary on women make sense.

Wow, you found someone with a different opinion. In case you haven't noticed, the huge number of different church denominations shows that will always be the case.

And furthermore John did not author Revelation he was just the scribe, he was told what to write by Jesus, which is why the full title is actually "The Revelation of Jesus Christ".

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I give up. There are none so blind as those who will not see. This is especially true of christers and I have far more important things to do (like dressing out that fresh baby for tomorrows dinner) to deal with this shit.

It must be frustrating Huggy, that an atheist understands your scripture better than you do.