RE: New Athiest Needs Help
May 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2014 at 10:48 pm by Wyrd of Gawd.)
(May 29, 2014 at 3:54 pm)OhWord Wrote: I read this I know it's Bull But Could you refute it?
Thanks.
If you know science there is no such thing as infinite... If I have an infinite number of Dollars and I subtract 5 is there still an inifite amount or is it infinite minus 5?
Astronomers and Cosmologists agree that the universe has a beginning and is not infinite in size.. As Aristotle said the infinite is potentialized never actualized
So since we have established that there is no such thing as infinite that means the universe had a beginning there are 4 logical answers for the beginning of the universe seen and unseen;
1) the universe was created via nothing
2) the universe created itself
3) the universe was created by something which was also created
4) the universe was created by something UNCREATED
The universe cannot be created via nothing because the definition of nothing means zip zero not an atom nothing.. Your mother cannot give birth to herself... Number 3 if the universe was created by something which was created than you are implying the universe seen and unseen has an infinite past and a logical fallacy and if you believe that you ignore science... That would mean the created creator would have had a created creator which would have had a created creator and so on... We know that infinite is an impossibility so there would have had to be an Originator... The One who begets not nor is begotten
The problem is that it's almost impossible to to imagine what true "Nothing" is and what its properties are. That's because we live in a sea of "Something". However, it should be obvious that "Nothing" really exists and that it is the source of Everything. We should know that because the visible building block of the Universe is hydrogen, which evolves from "Nothing". Once "Nothing" creates hydrogen all things become possible. The hydrogen clumps together into giant balls and then ignites in a nuclear reaction to form stars, which create the heavy elements and real material.
To simply matters "Nothing" is generally referred to as "Quantum Foam".
(May 29, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Why does the op think time is "older" than matter or energy? What evidence does he have to support that?
Time is basically a function of movement so once Quantum Foam produced its first tiny weenie particle time started. It's been running ever since.