(June 5, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:
I'm not understanding the correlation between your cited scriptures and the mission statement of this post. For example Colossians 3:21. The only way for this scripture to be applicable to Christians being "trolls, provoking, self-righteous, conceited condemnation of secularism, accusations of immoral behavior, to outright accusations of being "Godless filth." etc. would be if you were one of the Christian member's children. Please help me out.
I'm not asking you to "call anyone out" but some specific examples would help as well.
(June 5, 2014 at 7:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There's also the bit in 2 Thessalonians (can't be arsed to look up chapter and verse at the moment) which says, 'And for this reason, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.'2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
Well, if God is willing to delude people into believing lies, then why should we trust anything that his followers say he says?
Boru
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The cause of the strong delusion is a result of a person not receiving the love of the truth. If you do not want the strong delusion, repent and receive the love of the truth.
(June 5, 2014 at 7:44 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: There was a guest on TTA who quoted this, and asked since Abraham was deliberately deceived, with God already knowing the outcome, and the extent of Abraham's faith, why would he ask Abraham to sacrifice his son as a "test of faith" other than a willingness to deceive?
A false dichotomy. God could have asked Abraham to sacrifice his son not so that He could learn the outcome, nor as a willingness to decieve, but rather so that Abraham could learn what kind of faith he has. It can also be viewed as a foreshadowing of another father giving His son over as a sacrifice for sin. Only in this case the son was sacrificed (no substitute was given as the Son is the substitute).
(June 5, 2014 at 7:44 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: And given that, how can anyone trust anything God says? If you have children, and they have a beloved family pet that dies, what do you tell them?The truth. That their pet died, and death is a result of sin, so Christ died on the cross, and because He was resurrected we can place our faith and trust in His work as a sacrificial attonenment, and thus have no fear of death, knowing that He has overcome it.
(June 5, 2014 at 7:44 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: "Don't worry, honey, he's going to a better place." You know for a fact there is no "Puppy Heaven" or "Hamster Heaven" or a "Goldfish Heaven" in the bible, so you just lied to protect your child.
I agree there is no mention of animals being resurrected and so to tell children they are for sure in heaven is a lie (maybe they are, but we don't know). So don't tell your children lies. Are you claiming here that all Christians lie to their children about what happens to animals when they die?
(June 5, 2014 at 7:44 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: How can anyone trust God isn't doing the same with the afterlife?Please further clarify your line of reasoning here. It seems that you've stated: Christian parents lie to their children about where there pets go when they die, therefore God cannot be trusted about the afterlife. Am I understanding your argument correctly?
(June 5, 2014 at 10:59 pm)Beccs Wrote: Hey, they ignore all those parts they think shopuldn't apply to them.What is the purpose of the 10 commandments?
You mention the OT and then they say it's not valid anymore because it is replaced with the NT.
Then they quote from the 10 commandments and ignore you when you point ot thtat they're in the OT.
(June 6, 2014 at 7:41 am)Cato Wrote: Matthew 5:17 (I think), the bit where Jesus says the law still applies.Yes it is. Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
To what law is He referring? The moral law? The ceremonial law? The theocratic law of the nation of Israel?
(June 6, 2014 at 7:41 am)Cato Wrote: They don't like the fact that God thinks houses can get leprosy. They also ignore the fact that God doesn't know how to cure leprosy or if he does he's a devious lying sack of shit.Matthew 8:1-4/Mark 1:40-45/Luke 5:12-16
(June 6, 2014 at 8:33 am)RobbyPants Wrote:
In what way is Jesus saying we are to become like children?
(June 6, 2014 at 9:24 am)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:
Are you bearing witness that no Christian has ever nor ever will do any of the above commands?
(June 6, 2014 at 9:42 am)vorlon13 Wrote: So, (serious question here) when christ says the old laws still apply,If Christ says the old laws still apply, how do they apply?
(June 6, 2014 at 9:42 am)vorlon13 Wrote: but only lists half of the commandments to follow, is he contradicting himself ??Are you speaking here of Mark 10:17-25? Specifically verse 19?
(June 6, 2014 at 1:08 pm)Tonus Wrote:
An excellent question. What do the atheist forum members think?
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
