Parts of the Bible theists on this board ignore
June 8, 2014 at 1:02 am
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2014 at 1:04 am by Rampant.A.I..)
(June 7, 2014 at 11:48 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:(June 7, 2014 at 1:55 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: It was more a question of the discrepancy between verses like "give unto Caesar what is caesar's," verses like Luke 3:14 which seems to implicitly say harassing people who lack your belief system, and how poor behavior, intellectual dishonesty, lying, and slander is acceptable behavior to theist posters, when their own book tells them not to troll Internet forums and slander nonbelievers.So the discrepancy is between the way the Bible calls a Christian to live and the way you observe Christians living?
However the bible "calls a Christian to live" is a non-issue. The problem arises when a given Christian starts using scripture to justify their hatred of my friends and family from one line in a book they don't take any other commandment seriously from, or violate every rule stipulated on avoiding damnation, and use my apistavism as the #1 reason I can't judge their lack of moral fortitude.
(June 7, 2014 at 11:48 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:(June 7, 2014 at 1:55 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Don't saunter into neutral territory as a born-again who converted in prison to accuse people of being amoral scum, tell a group of nonbelievers what they actually believe, and then play martyr when you reap the whirlwind."If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." A Christian is a sinner telling another sinner about Christ. A person claiming to be a Christian and claiming that they don't sin is a person deceiving themselves and without truth.
Agreed. I can disagree with 95% of what you have to say, but respect your fortitude. I don't understand one part of why you think your beliefs are opposed to science, because I honestly do not think you don't understand why science does not contradict any of your beliefs, outside of biblical literalism, at all, or why abiogenesis should be taken for anything other than proof that God created man "from dirt." If any part of scripture can be used to shame the nonbeliever, those same scriptures should be equally applicable to those who claim to live by them.
(June 7, 2014 at 11:48 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:(June 7, 2014 at 1:55 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Given that God has demonstratively lied to Abraham and in other instances,
How has God demonstratively lied to Abraham?
What other instances?
An omniscient being would have known the extent of Abraham's faith without having to test it by asking Abraham to sacrifice his child. He already knew the outcome by definition.
Quote:1 Kings 22:23
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
In addition, any instance where a supposedly omniscient being "changed his mind" is also by definition, lying:
Exodus 32:14
14 So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.