(June 10, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Theonewhoanswersyourquestions Wrote: That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way, if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault,
It's a very good analogy. You said explicitly that we have free will because God gave it to us, and it's up to us to not do bad things. If I give my daughter poison, it's up to her to not drink it... yet everyone would still blame me because I put the poison there. If I hadn't put it there, she couldn't have drank it (making a poor choice).
If God didn't put the free will there, we couldn't have made poor choices.
(June 10, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Theonewhoanswersyourquestions Wrote: and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him.
So, the reason we're given the choice whether or not to rape each other is so Almighty God can get joy from those who choose not to?
Holy crap that is creepy! The whole justification for the Problem of Evil is "God wants joy"? Theonewhoanswersyourquestions, can Almighty God obtain joy in ways other than watching us make good decisions?
(June 10, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Theonewhoanswersyourquestions Wrote: God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants. Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself
Now, this is a bad analogy. You see, you're contrasting freedom with suffering, yet, outside of your apologetics... that's not the case. Going on your analogy, can you prove that there is more suffering in the free countries than in the not free ones? If the basis for free will is "we need to be able to make choices, which can lead to suffering", then the countries that are more free should have more suffering. I doubt that's the case.
Even still, I see where you're going with this, and it's pure speculation. Can you prove we wouldn't be happy if we were completely incapable of making choices? It's an entirely alien concept and there's no way to test that claim.
On a related note: are people allowed to sin in heaven? If no, then you're apparently cool with an eternity of no free will, which invalidates your complaints. If yes, then it seems that there would be suffering in heaven. If you say that we have free will, but we never make bad choices in heaven, then why isn't it like that on Earth?
