Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 31, 2025, 10:24 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Gnostic Atheism? WTF?
#45
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF?
(June 10, 2014 at 8:29 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: It's equally irrational to state that you know A as to say you know not-A when the subject of the knowing (A) is unfalsifiable, though. A more rational position to take is "I don't know for sure but based on the evidence I've been able to assess I'm very certain A is probably false" or, using your example, "I'm not completely certain but I strongly suspect there's nothing there."

It may be that there is more evidence supporting one side than another, but to make a knowledge claim like "I know" about an unfalsifiable position is not rational.

I'm not really approaching it as a binary thing, though. Yeah, it's not rational to say "i know" when a statement isn't falsifiable. It is far less rational to say "I know" when the statement is unfalsifiable AND there is no evidence in support AND every falsifiable claim in support of it is proven false).

This is not a question in which there is an even chance of being right or wrong. If any individual theist claim ever turned out to be true, it would be just about the biggest surprise there could possibly ever be.

(June 10, 2014 at 8:29 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:
Quote:That's why I'm as sure as as is possible to be sure that there is no god.

The fact remains, though, that there is some non-zero chance that you could be wrong, so to call yourself a gnostic atheist is overreaching, as Cthulhu said, just as there's some non-zero chance that a gnostic theist is overreaching in their claim to know there is a god.

I don't deny that this is overreaching. I deny that it is overreaching to the same extent.

Gnostic atheism is saying "I know I can correctly add two single-digit numbers". There's a chance, however infinitesimal, that I could be wrong about it, or make a mistake I didn't intend to make. Gnostic theism is saying "I know I can calculate pi to a quadrillion decimal places in my head". There's virtually no chance they will be successful.

So, while I appreciate the technical reasons not to be a gnostic atheist (and I don't think of myself as one), in terms of being intellectually bankrupt, comparing gnostic atheism to gnostic theism is like comparing the size of a molecule to the size of the universe.

The very fact that theist assertions are designed specifically to be impervious to any imaginable form of falsification is evidence enough for me to conclude that it is untrue, and I don't act as if there is a chance that leprechauns and unicorns and Santa Claus actually exist.

TL;DR: when discussing the existence of god, the likelihood is so minuscule that I don't get hung up on the technicality.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by JimmyNeutron - June 9, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 7:51 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by RobbyPants - June 10, 2014 at 8:57 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 9, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Mudhammam - June 10, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 12, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Jackalope - June 9, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ryantology - June 10, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 10, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ryantology - June 10, 2014 at 9:13 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by rexbeccarox - June 9, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by JimmyNeutron - June 9, 2014 at 9:48 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by rexbeccarox - June 9, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by CapnAwesome - June 9, 2014 at 9:52 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Mister Agenda - June 10, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by ThePinsir - June 10, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Mister Agenda - June 12, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 9, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 10, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 11, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 12, 2014 at 3:54 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 12, 2014 at 8:53 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 13, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 13, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by archangle - June 13, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Tonus - June 13, 2014 at 9:09 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by SteelCurtain - June 9, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by vorlon13 - June 9, 2014 at 11:11 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Sejanus - June 10, 2014 at 12:27 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by ThePinsir - June 10, 2014 at 9:30 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 9:38 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by ThePinsir - June 10, 2014 at 9:45 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Mister Agenda - June 10, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by ThePinsir - June 10, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 10, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by RobbyPants - June 10, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 10, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by JimmyNeutron - June 10, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Cato - June 10, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by ThePinsir - June 10, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by ThePinsir - June 10, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 4:45 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 13, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Bob Kelso - June 10, 2014 at 10:18 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Whateverist - June 10, 2014 at 10:54 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Angrboda - June 10, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 10, 2014 at 11:04 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Whateverist - June 10, 2014 at 11:17 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 10, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Mr Greene - June 10, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ryantology - June 11, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by archangle - June 11, 2014 at 8:03 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Whateverist - June 11, 2014 at 6:41 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by BlackMason - June 12, 2014 at 4:36 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by archangle - June 12, 2014 at 8:57 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Tonus - June 12, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2014 at 9:28 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2014 at 8:49 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Jackalope - June 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 13, 2014 at 2:58 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Atheism VS Christian Atheism? IanHulett 80 32704 June 13, 2017 at 11:09 am
Last Post: vorlon13
  Doctrine of atheism WTF? TheoneandonlytrueGod 18 4767 November 23, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Last Post: ignoramus
  Atheism, Scientific Atheism and Antitheism tantric 33 15348 January 18, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Last Post: helyott
  My Argument for "Gnostic Atheism" - Anyone Else? onebluethinker 7 4781 October 17, 2014 at 2:21 pm
Last Post: TreeSapNest
  Hey Gnostic Atheist - prove your point answer-is-42 26 8888 September 18, 2014 at 8:23 am
Last Post: Tonus
  Strong/Gnostic Atheism and Weak/Agnostic Atheism Dystopia 26 14026 August 30, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Last Post: Dawsonite
  For Gnostic Atheists and Apatheists Dystopia 7 2757 July 7, 2014 at 2:02 am
Last Post: ignoramus
  Virgin, God, WTF BlackSwordsman 17 4747 May 2, 2014 at 2:23 am
Last Post: max-greece
  Debate share, young earth? atheism coverup? atheism gain? xr34p3rx 13 11773 March 16, 2014 at 11:30 am
Last Post: fr0d0
  Is gnostic atheism ironic? CleanShavenJesus 11 3462 October 1, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Last Post: Fruity



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)