RE: Atheism vs Religious Value
June 11, 2014 at 7:46 am
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2014 at 8:00 am by archangle.)
(June 11, 2014 at 2:02 am)Mozart Link Wrote: I am going to present something here for people who think that atheism has more value than any amount of pleasure through religious belief (even perhaps the greatest amount of pleasure a human being can have through belief in religion). No amount of intelligence or great things we do in life will ever make up for a lack of pleasure because in order to have such value towards these things is to have pleasure in the first place (as pleasure is what allows us to give value in terms of emotion towards these things). So it would be illogical to say that these things have greater value than our pleasure. Now if you were to somehow have value towards something with no pleasure, then this value would be nothing as it is nothing more than a thought. Pleasure is what gives any notion of value life and without pleasure, it would be completely dead. Therefore, pleasure is the only thing that matters and any notion of value is just a thought and nothing more. It is the processes in our own brains that give these things value. Without such a process (which would be the process of experiencing pleasure in the brain), then they will have no value.
I think I am going to save this atheist theology as more evidence that we are looking very similar to a religion.
(June 11, 2014 at 6:40 am)whateverist Wrote: I get the distinct impression that what you (the OP) would really like is to be a Jedi knight. You'd like there to be unambiguously good deeds to do. Christianity is the closest you can find to 'the force' outside of a Comic-con. If only it were true.
Meh. My highest desire is to know the world and myself on their own terms. I don't long for the world to be a fairy tale. I don't want to play a part; I want to know the whole.
Yeah sound sounds nice and sweet. What you need to do is look away from the mirror. It does start with you, but it don't end there. You remind me of a horse with blinders. And all you see is "you" in a "limited world" on that mirror's reflection.
With this out look you may not see the "world" as it is. I mean you say this, but you have a lot of background noise. So half of your view scewed.
Then we look at the second component "you". I am guessing that you do not always "see" how you "fit" and that in many cases you put what you "want to be" in front of "what will happen to us all".
