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Gnostic Atheism? WTF?
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF?
(June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: "Proof" is a concept of logic and mathematics, not science, which is always tentative in nature. That means that everything I know is subject to change, given appropriate evidence. I'm unsure why that seems problematic.

Because you don't really know them, do you? You believe in them without absolute certainty (in other words, you have faith those things are true), but, if they can be proven false, you never really knew them. I mean, you knew the concepts, but not the reality.

(June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: To answer your question directly, I accept existence as axiomatic. If I didn't exist, in one form or another, we could not be having this conversation, now could we?

What's your basis for that acceptance? Experience. Experience that can't be objectively verified without being filtered by your flawed brain. You can't prove anything if you set your standards as high as you have set them for the existence of deities.

(June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I won't lie, I have a deep distaste for solipsism, which is where you seem to be heading with this point.

It is the logical conclusion of your standards for the existence of deities. It's a double-standard, which is what I'm trying to show you.

(June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Philosophy is indeed the top of a cereal box.

I'm not familiar with that expression.

(June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I don't adhere to the view that "I cannot prove anything". Implicit in my position is an entirely different point: I cannot disprove many conceptions of god at this time. Strawmanning my point doesn't refute it.

You adhere to the viewpoint that, to disprove something, you need to have absolute, objective knowledge of all of reality. This is a ridiculous standard. Either that or you think that absence of evidence after tens of thousands of years isn't evidence of absence, which is just as ridiculous of a standard.
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Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by JimmyNeutron - June 9, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 9, 2014 at 7:51 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by RobbyPants - June 10, 2014 at 8:57 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 9, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Mudhammam - June 10, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 12, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Jackalope - June 9, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ryantology - June 10, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 10, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ryantology - June 10, 2014 at 9:13 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by rexbeccarox - June 9, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by JimmyNeutron - June 9, 2014 at 9:48 pm
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Mister Agenda - June 12, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 9, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 10, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 11, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 12, 2014 at 3:54 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 12, 2014 at 8:53 pm
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Thumpalumpacus - June 13, 2014 at 11:38 am
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 10, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by RobbyPants - June 10, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by DeistPaladin - June 10, 2014 at 10:46 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 10, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by JimmyNeutron - June 10, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Cato - June 10, 2014 at 1:34 pm
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 7:12 pm
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by One Above All - June 10, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Ryantology - June 11, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by archangle - June 11, 2014 at 8:03 am
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Whateverist - June 11, 2014 at 6:41 pm
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Tonus - June 12, 2014 at 9:48 am
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RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Clueless Morgan - June 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by Jackalope - June 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: Gnostic Atheism? WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2014 at 1:59 pm
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