Evidence God Exists: Part II

[Watson]

And this, I'm afraid, comes from a very ingrained inability to accept or pin responsibility on yourself or those around you.

Bullshit.

I know you!

God is loving and perfect, you don't seem to comprehend this.

You're right. I can't comprehend a loving deity who would sit idly by and watch children die horrible deaths. Imagine that I had the power to cure your child of a fatal disease.

Well, seeing as you are human, you exist on this plain and if you had that power, you'd be something of a hero, I'd definitely expect you to do something to save my child.

All I would have to do is snap my fingers and your child would be cured. You ask me to cure your child. You BEG me to cure your child. I ignore your request without explanation. Your child suffers for a few months and then dies. How would you feel about me? Would you think I'm a great guy?

No, you'd pretty much be a dick. You aren't even going to explain yourself? You're such an asshole.

If not, then why would you worship your deity after he does the VERY SAME THING? (And here comes the rationalization that we can't know "God's" great purpose because we're just stupid mortals, or some other ridiculous crap.)

Actually, other than the 'stupid' part, that's pretty much it. You know, you can label it 'rationalization' if you want, but there is still the implied rational in there. But I'll tell you this. Someone who understands God has a much better chance of comprehending why that child died and why that child was taken to Heaven(bare with me here, for the sake of our discussion) than does an Atheist who not only doesn't know God, but doesn't understand Him in the slightest.

He created this world and He filled it with His children, and He gave His children options to take. The choices themselves are up to us.

And what "choice" did an unborn child make that resulted in being born blind?

Who's to say? Our souls(again, bare with me) know better than we do. You've no idea what decisions were made before your birth, supposing God exists, as do souls.

A loving diety that created the entire universe? He would know better than you do, actually.

Yes, because I'm a stupid mortal who can't see the value in allowing a child to suffer and die.

No, because you're just stupid.

He would know what lessons the child could learn from that disease or that problem, and would not interfere when nature took it's natural course and strickened the child.

And what the hell kind of lesson does a three year old learn when they have to undergo chemo, radiation and surgery? And where is there a lesson if the kid dies? And what would you think of a parent who lets "nature take its natural course" and does nothing for their ill child?

Did I say the parent should do nothing for their child? No I did not. But a parent should definitely not be surprised when their child dies of a terminal illness. That's not to say they shouldn't be upset and mourn the child, but they should look at themselves and say 'What have I learned? What do I value more now than ever?'

Perhaps that child isn't the one giving the lesson, but is the teacher...? It's not for you or I to say.

No, God did not 'give' the child cancer, the child was just subjected to natural laws and ended up with cancer.

I never said your deity "gave" the child cancer. I said why would he allow a child to suffer with cancer and die?

A God who believes in free will?

Deal with the cards your dealt.

My, what a "loving" deity ya got there!

Six year old Billy: "Dear God, please make my cancer go away. It hurts a lot. I don't like going to the hospital and getting stuck with needles. And my mommy cries all the time."

GOD: "SUCK IT UP, KID! YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU? DEAL WITH THE CARDS YOU"VE BEEN DEALT!"

Yeah! 'Cause fuck you, Nature! How dare I be born with brown hair! I want blonde hair! I'm going to whine and bitch about it when there's nothing I can do t- oh...there's this thing called hair dye? I can CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR?!

But yeah, still, fuck you Nature.

Do you understand where I am going with this? I'm not saying it isn't very sad that Billy has cancer. But I'm saying he, and his family, should make the most of what they've got. Instead of complaining that nature did what comes natural to it.

Again, I know you don't believe, but think about it. If an all-powerful, perfectly loving God existed, He would know better than you. And He would be waiting for those thousands dead with open arms when their mortal bodies are shed and their souls go to Him. It is the sweetest kind of redemption for such a tragic end that I can think of.

What a bunch of unsubstantiated hooey.

I didn't honestly expect you to understand that part. And that's not a dig at you, it's just not something you can wrap your head around from your viewpoint. Where as I can't wrap my head around some of your viewpoints.

As for those homeless? They are lucky they still have a life to live and to breathe, so that they may have the opportunity to enjoy themselves in whatever way possible.

GOD: "QUIT WHINING! YOU'RE LUCKY TO BE ALIVE! TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAD CHUNKS OF CONCRETE FALL ON THEIR HEADS! I DID NOTHING TO HELP THEM! SO WHY DO YOU THINK I'M GOING TO HELP YOU?"

See above about Billy.

You seem to forget there's an entire universe out there away from our societal constructs. Who's to say a man can't leave a disaster area all on his own and find a new home, somewhere far off, more at one with nature?

Yeah.... tell that to the victims of Hurricane Katrina who are still living in FEMA trailers.

Oh for fuck's sake. It's very sad that those people have to live in trailers, yes. But, again, should they blame Mother Nature and the EARTH ITSELF for their bad mood about it? No, the best thing for them to do would just be to make the best of it, and hope for the future.

I disagree whole-heartedly. It is man and nature which makes no sense sometimes.

I agree with you about man, but nature makes PERFECT sense.

Okay, I should rephrase. Man sometimes does illogical things, while nature sometimes does pointless things.

Well since it's the book you are supposed to be basing your life on maybe you should actually read it.

Though I've noticed that very few christians ever do read the damned thing.

And, quite often when they do they turn atheist.

I base my life on the teachings or Jesus Christ, you know, the guy who paved the way for Christianity's creation? And regardless of whether or not you believe he existed, his words teachings themselves stand alone from the man.