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Believers!! Don't mislead people
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RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people
ISSUE: Whether Boko Haram does NOT follow the Qur'an.

Where does the verses mention Allah commands Muslims to kidnap people?


. . .

(June 17, 2014 at 11:25 am)Ksa Wrote: It is mentioned in Surat An-Nisā' 4:3:

"And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice]."

These are slave girls, obtained doing Jihad. Since they do not have the same rights as Muslim wives, as it is mentioned in Surat An-Nisā' 4:24:

Verse 4.24 is not about "kidnapping", it is about an orphan girl and polygamy, and it is the exception to the general rule of "one wife" in verse 33.50 (refer here). In fact, it is the reinstatement of the general rule of only "one wife" in Islam (red above).


O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the believers. (33.50)

Therefore:

General rule: One wife (33.50), polygamy is unjust.

And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. (4:129)

Exception: For the benefit of orphan girls, and if they have no fear of being unjust to their wives (4:24).

Condition: Cannot marry more than one if they fear of injustice to wives, even if it is for the benefit of the orphan girls (4:24) and (4:129).

And you will never be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. (4:129)

Therefore, one injustice is allowed if one can balance for three justices, provided there is "no fear" of being injustice to wives and it is for the benefit of an orphan girls.


. . .

(June 17, 2014 at 11:25 am)Ksa Wrote: "And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess."

So kidnapping unbeliever slave girls, giving them faith and a Muslim husband is doing them a favor Inch'Allah! If they obey Allah and the Qur'an they will be granted Janna. You're telling me that the Qur'an is against doing them such a favor? HUGE favor.

The slave girl is not about the kidnapping, and marrying slave girl is prohibited unless upon compliance the conditions in verse 4:25-26 (refer here).

And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women
then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls

4.25

General rule: It is prohibited to marry a believing slave girl (33.50)

. . . [this is] only for you, excluding the believers. (33.50)

Exception: It is allowed upon compliance all the conditions in verse 4:25-26 (refer here).

Conditions: Must fulfil all the conditions, otherwise cannot marry slave girl.

1. This exception is for those who cannot find the means to marry free, believing women
2. This exception is for those who fears of committing sin (but to be patient is better for them)
3. One must marry that girl
4. One must get the permission from their people
5. One must give them their due compensation
6. One must compensate them according to what is acceptable by them
7. They should be chaste
8. They should not of those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly
9. They should not of those who take secret lovers
10. She must be from his right hands possess

Why there are these rules? The rule relating to slavery is needed since there might be a situation of war in the future and many are becoming slaves and there are no free women (AND can even marry more than one wife in order to help the orphans during situation of war etc). Therefore and if there is no free women to marry, ONLY THEN one can marry a believing slave girl, PROVIDED fulfill all the conditions in (4:25-26) etc. This rule is reasonable since one must be allowed to marry believing slave girl if there is no free women he can take as a wife, ie. no other options.


. . .

So where do Allah commands Muslims to kidnap innocent people ?

What verses from the Quran ?

(June 17, 2014 at 11:12 am)muslimatheism Wrote: ISSUE: Whether Boko Haram does NOT follow the Qur'an.

Thank you . . . and that's quite simple. There are no verses in the Quran that Allah commands for kidnapping innocent people, or else.

Prove to me if there is one in the Quran.
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Believers!! Don't mislead people - by ska88 - June 17, 2014 at 4:00 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Losty - June 17, 2014 at 6:20 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Ksa - June 17, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Ksa - June 17, 2014 at 9:56 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Muslim Atheism - June 17, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Losty - June 17, 2014 at 10:07 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Muslim Atheism - June 17, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Losty - June 17, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Muslim Atheism - June 17, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 17, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by archangle - June 19, 2014 at 7:38 am
RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people - by Ksa - June 17, 2014 at 10:22 am
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