Believers!! Don't mislead people

[Brian37]

Well it is true that someone can like a tradition, a book, or parts of it and not believe all of it. I really still don't care how much someone tries to avoid the nasty parts of a book and cling to it's pretty stories, it does not change that the nasty parts still exist.

Jefferson like Jesus like he liked Plato and Socrates but believed he was just a man. That still does not change that other people who read the same book with the same words come to different conclusions about the nature of reality. Watering a book down only gives you excuses to cling to it.

I can also find good motifs in Star Wars and Harry Potter, but that does not make the fantastic claims in them true, nor are they viewed as religions.

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Here is the problem with all religions.

The Sunni claims the Shiite got it wrong. The Shiite claims the Sunni got it wrong. Both claim that Christians got it wrong. Baptists think Catholics got it wrong. Both Catholics and Baptists think Mormons got it wrong. Jews also have liberal secularists and Orthodox fundamentalists who don't get along. Even China has both Buddhists and Muslims who don't get along with Tibet's Buddhists.

See a pattern developing here?

Religion in all it's labels in all of human history has done nothing but make excuses to create clubs to ignore that we are the same species.

Me, I am simply fucking sick of this crap.

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I'd appreciate all you idiots not using the only planet I live on as your personal pissing contest.

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I don't care if you are Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Jewish, Amish, whatever. Fuck you if you think your daughter or wife is there simply to be dictated to. That is a human being, not your slave or property.

Okay. so you cannot prove with direct evidence from the Quran and relying on dogmatism. End.

Several of us here gave you verses and I gave you a direct link to several verses that prove you wrong.

If you call yourself an atheistI will take your word for it, but you are just as fucking blind and stupid as someone who claims to be a Muslim and does literally believe in a sky hero. An atheist justifying sexism just to placate the insecurities of sexist men is as bad as the believers who justify sexism.

There is absolutely no way you can gloss over the written sexism in any of those books because back then sexism was the social norm.

Now which do you care more about? The rights of women, or a mere object? If defending the Koran, atheist or not, is more important than human rights to you, then you are a sad human being.

Now I would highly recommend you read "Infidel" by Ayaan Hersi Ali. I would doubt her being a former Muslim that you would be able to get her to say Islam has nothing to do with dogmatism.

And again, do not stupidly accuse me of singling Islam or Muslims out. Religion promotes all sorts of stupid absurdities, Islam does not own a patent on it.