Evidence God Exists: Part II

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I love how you jump to previously prepared arguments and preconceived notions of what I believe, instead of actually having the humility to ask me what I believe in. You absolutely would be the kind of person to generalize and assume I think it's all a part of 'God's plan.'

For the record, I expect a human man living and interacting in human ways with the human world to interfere and attempt to save another human being, yes. You have been given a life worth living, and so has everyone else. Use it. Learn from it. Don't just sit back and try and blame someone else for your own misfortunes or the misfortunes of others.

Does God intervene or not?

God explains Himself quite clearly to those who don't stuff their ears full of bullshit and ignroe Him.

Perhaps you can translate, I'll be sure to clean my ears.

Rationalize, if I am correct, means the process of inventing or searching for rational explanations for things. Nip me in the bud if I'm wrong, but that is still seeking answers at the very least.

Rationalize - 1 : to bring into accord with reason or cause something to seem reasonable: as a : to substitute a natural for a supernatural explanation of <rationalize a myth> b : to attribute (one's actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives <rationalized his dislike of his brother> ; broadly : to create an excuse or more attractive explanation for <rationalize the problem>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rationalize

I've met Him, I've Seen Him, I've spoken with Him. Your inability to comprehend that there are different ways of communicating, seeing, and meeting someone other than those taught to you by society is not my problem.

You wanna be a bit more specific?

How did you meet him? What did he look like? What did he say to you?

How do you understand your experience to be genuine?

Did I, or did I not, say 'bare with me'? What I meant by that was, for the sake of discussion, presume that a soul exists. Presume that humans do, in factm have souls. I guess that was asking to much, because if we really wanted to delve into souls theologically, you would walk away laughing yoru ass off at a concept you don't understand in the slightest.

You used a hypothetical concept as evidence for another hypothetical concept.

Example:

Suppose underpants gnomes exist (bare with me). How else do you suppose your old underwear goes missing if not for the magical forest to make a profit?

Is the earth not also one of 'God's children'? Is the universe itself not one of 'God's children'? So, if God believes in free will, and presume pleace that He does, then He isn't going to interfere with one of His children's work, say, the course of nature striking someone with cancer.

So God does not interfere. Got it.

A good parent, or in this case, a perfect parent knows what is best for his or her child. Therefore, the parent is going to make decisions based on that understanding of what is best for the child.

Funny thing is, there are no perfect parents, so we don't know how they would react. We have no analog. The only thing we can go on is our experience with imperfect parents.

Do you trust your parents? Do you believe they love you and are looking out for you as best they can? If you don't, then things here begin to make sense.

This is irrelevant.

If you do, then ask yourself what those same parents would do if they were all-knowing, all-loving, and all-powerful creators of the universe. Go on. I know you have a brain and a heart, so use both of them.

What about if those same parents had laser vision and could travel back through time to fight prehistoric monsters? This is irrelevant, as there exist no such parents in the world, to my knowledge. Don't use an appeal to emotion - it doesn't strengthen the argument.

And it's not for you to walk up to them and ask that for this exact reason, dumbass! It's for them to ask or not ask of themselves, and if it hurts them and they make it through, it's all for the better. It's their decision whether they ask themselves the hard questions or not. And they will be the benefactor of having done such a thing, too.

So outliving your child can potentially be a rewarding experience.

Wow.

Your child whines and begs to ride her bicycle without training wheels. No matter how much you resist, she presses and presses the issue, when you know that she is not ready for that kind of thing. You advise her as such, and she still refuses to listen.

So you relent, and another concerned parent asks you "Why would you do that? You know she can't do it, and she'll probably get hurt."

I know my response would then be "Well, then she'll learn."

Are you fucking serious?!

You're comparing a child dying of cancer to a whiny brat who wants to ride a fucking bike? Tell me, what did the child learn from getting cancer? What did the parents learn?

Why doesn't this shit happen to people who think like you? Cancer is a gift from God and teaches important life lessons. Don't bother with treatments in that case.

God is an impatient parent and creation is a whiny child. Fucking golden.

See above, about training wheels, about Mother Nature, and about free will. End.

You have demonstrated that God is at best an absent parent and at worst willfully negligent with the ultimate lesson that the ends justify the means.

And, again, nature has nothing to do with this discussion. Let's say "nature" gave the kid cancer. Your deity can cure it in an instant! Why does he not?

Training wheels. That is all.

He was obviously asking for it.

But you give your deity a pass.

Because He is a God, and He is a very good parent who gave every living and non-living thing in the universe a place to play around in.

By what are you judging this good parenting? If I gave a kid a house to play in and left, would that be a fucking good parent?

And then faith, belief, trust and love would be down the drain. When you tell someone you love them, do you do it just to remidn them that you love them and you don't want them to leave, or do you do it simply because you love them? I hope for the latter, or what you are experiencing is a very mis-construed form of love.

This has nothing to do with anything. No one said anything about love, stop trying to obfuscate the point any further.

And, again, perhaps you're simply looking in the wrong places for yours explanations and understandings. You look to science to for answers to human problems,

Problems such as what, disease? famine?

you look to Atheism for answers to problems of the universe and moral guidance.

Yes, because atheism has a lot to say on morals and universal dilemmas.

Get a fucking clue.

but if you would take the time to open yourself, learn, grow and become an ever-changing person, you might discover a thing or two that you never thought possible.

Now where does this necessarily require a belief in God or religion?

I have read very little of the Bible, but I am aware of it's contents and meaning through study of this life I am living.

How shocking. A christian that hasn't read the Bible.