(June 18, 2014 at 11:18 am)Muslim Atheism Wrote:(June 18, 2014 at 11:10 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: and at least in my opinion doesn't have any reason to think the Koran is infallible.
I believe it is reasonable and justified. . unless and until people can bring a counterargument. Therefore, it is not blind faith and based on reasoning.
Why ?
Allah has already presented His argument.
Logically, it is now the time for a counterargument and it is absurd for people to repeatedly ask for the main argument through blank denials; and without presenting any counterargument.
1. Main argument.
2. Counterargument.
3. Rebuttal argument.
How to counter Allah’s argument?
The IF, THEN, ELSE statement from the wording of the verse itself.
Quote: And
[IF] you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant
[THEN] produce a surah the like thereof
and call upon your witnesses other than Allah ,
if you should be truthful.
[ELSE] But if you do not
and you will never be able to
then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.
[END IF]
2.23-24
Therefore. . .
Issue:
Why do you believe the Quran is NOT the Word of Allah?
Counterargument (how to counter Allah’s argument):
Produce one like the Quran, without any inconsistency and amendment
and corroborating with history, science, nature, universe, future, mathematical numerology etc. . .
ELSE. . . consider the words of Allah! [END IF]
. . .
p.s. Compare it with your Constitution or statutory laws, how many times it has been declared null and void or amended ?
I'm becoming increasingly tired of your dishonest discussion methods. Shifting the burden of proof won't get you anywhere here. I asked why you believe the Koran is true in its entirety, and you responded with essentially "I believe it because I believe it", which is a statement devoid of substance. Then you assert that "Allah has already presented his argument". Who is Allah? I thought you discounted God claims?
Then there is the No True Scotsman, where you say the Koran is true and moral, but when asked why so many Muslims who also claim to follow it perform such heinous actions, you simply say "they aren't following it".
And please, when asked to validate claims in the Koran, do not simply respond with a Koran verse.
I usually try to remain calm and respectful during these kinds of discussions, but I have to say you're way of dodging, ignoring, and twisting ideas is very grating.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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