RE: No True Scotsman
June 19, 2014 at 4:02 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 4:06 pm by Lek.)
(June 19, 2014 at 2:09 pm)Esquilax Wrote:As has been said before, we're not under the old Jewish law. Those laws were given to people under God's wrath. After the sacrifice of Christ we are now live under God's grace because he paid the penalty for sin. Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law and that nothing would disappear from the law until everything is accomplished. After his life, death and resurrection the fulfillment was accomplished.(June 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Lek Wrote: Slavery in Jesus' society was a different institution than in America. They were usually prisoners of war or voluntary slaves. Jesus' concern was that they be treated righteously.
See, now this is interesting: after defining a christian as one who follows Christ, you turn around and demonstrate that you apparently don't, because Christ wasn't a fan of lying.
I'm pretty amazed nobody picked you up on this before now, but what you just claimed is bullshit; the rules for slavery, the biblical commandments about it that Jesus never repealed but reinforced, say that slaves can be bought "from the heathens around you." That says nothing about prisoners of war, or voluntary slavery, it just says to go to other places that have slavers and by from them.
It also says later that the wife and children of a slave belong to the slave's master, which doesn't take into account their consent at all, and in fact kids cant give consent to that anyway. We then proceed to be given a loophole wherein we can enslave a temporary slave forever by entrapment, giving him a wife and kids so that his emotional attachments override his desire to be free and he stays. These people aren't prisoners of war or volunteers, they're fucking slaves.
And as for being treated "righteously," the New Testament tells slaves to obey their masters, even the cruel ones. All masters, everywhere, and this is added to another old commandment that you seem to ignore that was never repealed, which says we're allowed to beat our slaves to death, so long as they linger for a couple of days between beating and expiring.
So... what? Did you just lie to us? Or do you not know your own bible as well as Esquilax the atheist does? Either way, doesn't that mean you aren't following Christ, and are therefore not a christian by your own definition?
(June 19, 2014 at 3:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Slavery in Jesus' society was a different institution than in America.
That must be why there were 3 slave revolts in the 60 years between 132 and 71 BC? Slavery was such a lark!
I didn't say slavery was a lark. But if slaves were being treated badly, it was being done counter to Christ's teaching.