RE: No True Scotsman
June 19, 2014 at 4:15 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm by Lek.)
(June 19, 2014 at 4:09 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I don't really care if they were old Jewish laws that were passed on to people Yahweh was mad at. It's the first impression we get of this god, and he makes no apologies about it afterwards. The old testament takes up two thirds of the bible, and I would assume is normally read first unless a person is told to start with Matthew. So I don't think we'll just ignore the majority of the book where the god is telling his followers to slaughter their enemies instead of loving them, and details various atrocities that Jesus doesn't apologize for, or really make much effort to ensure that it isn't done anymore.
Just because your god got nicer at some point doesn't absolve him of the things he did in the past.
We don't ignore the old testament at all. It shows the creation and the fall of mankind and the consequences suffered as a result. It also shows how God carried out his plan to send us the messiah and save us from our plight. It's the story of a people awaiting the messiah, which is fulfilled in the new testament.
(June 19, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Cato Wrote:Give me some examples so I can respond.(June 19, 2014 at 4:02 pm)Lek Wrote: As has been said before, we're not under the old Jewish law. Those laws were given to people under God's wrath. After the sacrifice of Christ we are now live under God's grace because he paid the penalty for sin. Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law and that nothing would disappear from the law until everything is accomplished. After his life, death and resurrection the fulfillment was accomplished.
The Gospels say the exact opposite, particularly the words attributed to Jesus. Only later when Paul was having trouble meeting his membership drive quota did he have to change his approach to attract Gentiles. The fulfillment didn't mean that the laws didn't apply. Christ's fulfillment of the law was simply a purported example of full compliance. It's the Pauline Christian that doesn't want the burden of living as Christ instructed so they contrive this deception in order to obtain a free ride.
It really is all nonsense.