(June 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Lek Wrote: Sorry, Bad Wolf. I did neglect some of your comments
Yes, all but one.
(June 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Lek Wrote: although I did answer the one about the Jews being his chosen people.
Yes, with one sentance and then promptly ignored my reply.
(June 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Lek Wrote: I've missed others also because I'm overwhelmed by too many posts. If a person voluntarily agrees to make a contract to be a slave to someone and the owner treats the slave well, I don't consider that immoral.
And what would this 'contract' involve? Indentured servitude or slavery? Because in your bible, its slavery. Irrelevant of whether the person is a slave voluntarily or not, it is wrong. They are treated as property, as objects to be passed down the family. They were allowed to be beaten. I don't care if the owner treated the slaves as he would his own children, the very fact that he is allowed to beat them within an inch of their lives, and not be punished, is despicable.
(June 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Lek Wrote: As far as slavery for other reasons, Jesus never really condoned it, but recognized it as a reality of the day.
Wasn't he the one that told the slaves to obey their masters? I'd call that condoning, wouldn't you? And he couldn't get rid of slavery if he wanted to? The king of the jews? The son of god? The guy going around changing peoples lives, performing miracles, starting a new religion, couldn't just say 'no' to slavery?
He didn't and in my opinion, that makes him just as immoral as the slave owner. Its like if you witnessed a murder or a rape, if you just stand there watching and do nothing to help, you are just as culpable as the perpetrator.
(June 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Lek Wrote: Many of the slaves of the day didn't want to be freed because they had it better in well off households where they were treated well. They had volunteered to do what they were doing.
Choosing between dying from starvation and working as slave, is not a choice at all. They were forced into it by their situation.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
