(June 22, 2014 at 2:16 am)orangebox21 Wrote:(June 18, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Irrational Wrote: No, which is exactly why his prediction was a failure.Jesus said that the 'this generation' that would witness 'these things' would not perish until all 'these things' are fulfilled. The generation he was speaking to did not witness the 'these things' he was speaking of. Why have you then concluded he was speaking of them?
I honestly don't get what you're asking here exactly. Are you implying that, because a prophecy failed, that therefore it couldn't have been predicted?
It's been shown, time and again, that people end up making false predictions and prophecies. So that sort of logical thinking (if I understood you right) is nowhere close to being reasonable.
Quote:Furthermore, a failed prediction would be a generation witnessing 'these things' and yet perishing before the 'these things' are fulfilled. Did this happen?
Yes, it did. They all perished before these things have yet to occur. In fact, they haven't even happened yet.
So false prophecy either way.
Quote:We first have to establish what the kingdom is and when it came/is to come. Christ did believe that some of his followers would taste death (John 21:18-19).
Well, it doesn't matter what John says as we're debating what another passage in another book is saying.
From my understanding, Jesus believed death would be no more once the kingdom came. So in light of this understanding, it makes perfect sense that he would say some in his time would not taste death, knowing that Jesus thought the kingdom was near.
Quote:(June 18, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Irrational Wrote: Isn't the whole kingdom of God thing about being immortal and no longer having to fear death?Why do you think that?
Well, partly because that's what Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels implied.