RE: No True Scotsman
June 22, 2014 at 4:23 pm
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2014 at 5:00 pm by Lek.)
(June 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:(June 22, 2014 at 1:16 pm)Lek Wrote: There's no way that Jesus' teachings can be interpreted as committing the atrocities that Christianity has been accused of. I don't care what denomination it is. I guess anybody could take anything and interpret it in a convoluted way.
Did you miss my point on purpose or by accident? What you just said, had nothing to do with what I just said. Read it again.
It seems that you were saying that since Jesus's teaching have been interpreted so many ways, there's no way to come to a conclusion as to which interpretation is correct. I was saying that, regardless of how many interpretations there are, none of them can be construed to mean that he wants us to murder, persecute or mistreat others.
(June 22, 2014 at 2:54 pm)Thackerie Wrote: Just where did Jesus say "people should not have sexual relations with people of the same sex" (book, chapter, and verse)?
I don't think Jesus said one word about homosexuality that was ever recorded in the Bible. I don't think you know your Bible at all.
The bible never quotes Jesus as saying that. But the teaching is affirmed by inspired new testament writers. Remember the quotes attributed to Jesus weren't written by Jesus. They were passed on from witnesses or, in Paul's case, a direct encounter with the risen Christ.
(June 22, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I will admit that Jesus didn't do as many horrible things as Yahweh did, unless you think those two are the same person, but even if Jesus is a different person he still worshiped Yahweh. Who is an obviously evil person to anyone who doesn't worship him.
The actions of Jesus kind of lose some of their credit when he unapologetically worships the guy from the old testament. Even if you ignore things like commanding people to put him above everyone else, anf giving away all possessions to follow him. Neither of which are very good ideas coming from a guy who died and disappeared a year or so after he started teaching things that have been taught by people before his time.
In eternity Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always been one with the Father. Jesus had a part in everything done by the Father. God never committed and immoral act. I'm confident that many of the people effected by what you call atrocities are enjoying eternal joy as we debate this issue. God and christians view existence through the concept of eternity, whereas atheists view it through the concept that this earthly life is the only existence for us. Looking at from God's view, there was justice to be accomplished, but eventually a life of bliss. I think that even atheist will agree that people must often suffer to attain a reward or to serve justice. I know you'll vehemently disagree, but that's what the bible teaches and that's my point of view. If Jesus didn't love us, he wouldn't have agreed to die on the cross for us. John 10:17-18
World English Bible (WEB)
17 Therefore the Father loves me, because I lay down my life,[a] that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.”
