(May 6, 2010 at 8:00 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Fully understanding something which has already been discovered is one thing (as with gravity). But completely failing to reproduce a scenario, and continuing to try for 500 years with no end in sight, is another (as with abiogenesis).We have discovered things about abiogenesis though. We know that at one point in Earth's history, life did not exist. Then, at a later point, it did. Something must have happened to cause that life. Abiogenesis is the theory that attempts to explain how life came about from non-life.
In contrast with gravity, we discovered that objects fall to the ground, and the theory of gravity is an attempt to explain that. The only difference you can make between the two theories is that gravity is a theory that attempts to explain a current natural phenomenon, and abiogenesis is attempting to explain a previous natural phenomenon in Earth's history. Obviously it is going to be harder to demonstrate something that is thought to have occurred in the past rather than the present, because we don't have the present phenomenon to perform tests on (as we do with gravity).
Quote:At which point do scientists finally admit their experiments failed? For arguments' sake, let's say that the reality is that life cannot be produced from inanimate matter. At which point do scientific experiments prove that reality?I've answered that question already. If the reality is that life cannot possibly be produced from inanimate matter, all you have to do to prove it is to demonstrate that such an event would violate a law of nature. We've done so before in science (i.e. proving that you cannot possibly go faster than the speed of light), and if someone finds a natural law that abiogenesis violates, it will be the end for the theory.
Quote:Let's say scientists try to invent a time travel machine. After how much time will they finally realize that their experiments have proven that a time travel machine is an impossibility?Again: when they come across a law of nature that states time travel is impossible.
Quote:Are experiments for abiogenesis to remain open-ended and inconclusive for eternity?No, and I'm starting to think you didn't even read my previous post. Two things can happen:
1) Scientists find that abiogenesis can be replicated, and thus it is perfectly possible.
2) Scientists find that abiogenesis violates a law of nature, and thus it is impossible.
Currently, we do not know which answer is correct. The evidence we have strongly suggests that abiogenesis is possible (since we've been able to create the building blocks of life from non-living matter), and so scientists are expanding their experiments in order to try and replicate the full "life from non-life" scenario.
Just because we haven't succeeded yet does not mean abiogenesis is impossible, nor does it mean that there is more evidence to suggest that abiogenesis is impossible. Lack of evidence for position (1) isn't evidence for position (2). Lack of evidence for position (1) only means that position (2) is still a possibility, and that more research must be done. For you to say "Well, you've had 500 years and nothing has come of it, so give up" is to reject the scientific method completely in favour of your strongly held belief that abiogenesis is impossible.
Science, on the other hand, doesn't care about being right or wrong; it cares about results. The scientists doing the experiments wouldn't care if their results concluded either position (1) or position (2), as long as they actually got a conclusion. Currently, they have no conclusion, so they continue their research.
Quote:Believers don't view God as supernatural. God is nature.Well I think you'll find quite a few theistic philosophers will disagree with you there. As I understand it, God is supposed to have created nature.
Regardless, I fail to see how you can argue this as well as keeping your "anti-abiogenesis" position. If God is nature, then there is no difference between God creating life, and abiogenesis (which is nature creating life). What is the problem you have with abiogenesis then?