RE: Information on failed prophecy
June 26, 2014 at 1:08 pm
(This post was last modified: June 26, 2014 at 1:14 pm by JesusHChrist.)
You could read this as an example of the theological bullshit you can expect to encounter in return.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/was-jesus...al-prophet
I couldn't wade through it.
OK, I waded a little:
So with a hand wave, we just ignore any nonsense Jesus might have said or the words his merry band of scriptwriters might have put in his mouth.
i.e., we don't actually know shit about what Jeez might have said or not!
Problem solved!
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/was-jesus...al-prophet
I couldn't wade through it.
OK, I waded a little:
Quote:So I’m inclined to a third alternative, which is that the prophecy is ambiguous. That is to say, we don’t really know the original context of these words, so that we cannot be sure that Jesus was in fact predicting that he was going to come again within the lifetime of his contemporaries. Indeed, the eminent historical Jesus scholar John Meier doesn’t think that this saying of Jesus is even authentic, that is to say, actually uttered by the historical Jesus. Meier insists that he is in no way trying to avoid the conclusion that Jesus gave a false prophecy—Meier is ruthlessly objective—rather he argues that the evidence shows that this saying is probably not authentic.
My proposal is more modest. I appeal to the well-known fact that we often do not have the original context in which Jesus’ sayings were spoken, much less their precise wording. When we remember that the Gospels do not give us a tape recording of Jesus’ words, that the Gospels are written in Greek, whereas Jesus probably spoke most of the time in Aramaic, that the Gospel writers didn’t even have the device of quotation marks to distinguish direct and indirect speech, we can already see that we don’t have a verbatim transcript of what Jesus said. Jesus’ speeches would often be paraphrased or summarized. The Evangelists sometimes arrange these sayings in different ways. So we shouldn’t think that we always have the words of Jesus exactly as they were spoken or in their original context.
So with a hand wave, we just ignore any nonsense Jesus might have said or the words his merry band of scriptwriters might have put in his mouth.
i.e., we don't actually know shit about what Jeez might have said or not!
Problem solved!