RE: Once Again.... If You Don't Like France...
July 3, 2014 at 4:56 am
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2014 at 5:10 am by ManMachine.)
(July 2, 2014 at 7:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You don't have to disagree with Franklin. The context of that quote is grossly misinterpreted by modern readers who have no idea what the fuck Franklin was talking about in 1755.
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/07/what-...ally-said/
Quote:In short, Franklin was not describing some tension between government power and individual liberty. He was describing, rather, effective self-government in the service of security as the very liberty it would be contemptible to trade.
But it is necessary to read the whole article.
So what are we talking about if we are not talking about an issue with France's self-governance and them sacrificing liberties in the service of security?
MM
(July 2, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote:(July 2, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If a French woman can't wear a bikini in Mecca why should a muslim woman be allowed to wear a veil in France?
That's a great example. The primitives are fully entitled to enact whatever laws they want in their country and to expect foreigners to abide by them.
Similarly, France has the same right.
They also stone people to death is these countries, should France adopt that too?
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"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
