RE: Do Christians really believe most of us are going to hell?
July 3, 2014 at 5:36 pm
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2014 at 5:42 pm by ThomM.)
(June 30, 2014 at 10:58 pm)blackout94 Wrote:(June 30, 2014 at 9:37 pm)ThomM Wrote: Just the fact that you brought up a book that said the christ was a Jew - and much of what is claimed by the religion is not true leaves a dilemma.
Since there is NOT a single document from the supposed time of the christ - that even mentions his name - and since we do not know who wrote the bible - when they wrote the original documents upon which it was based - and how much those documents were edited - there really is NO provable basis for claiming ANYTHING is true about the christ. Historical studies could only be based on religious writings - which as ALL religious writings - are baseless beliefs - nothing more.
Which brings us back to the question - do most xtians really believe that most of us are going to hell. Since the existence of a "hell" itself is a contrived item - not thoroughly covered even in the bible - and not believed by the Jew upon which the religion is based - does it really matter.
It would not be their decision who would go to such a place - anyway.
The book I raid had basis in certain studies, but since it was a novel I can't really quote. Yes the author mentioned the documents, none of them are from the original prophets/christ followers but copies translated mostly into greek if I'm not mistaken. I got surprised however when I realized about 80% of the bible is forged. Not that I thought the bible is genuine, but I never thought so much would be forged. If Jesus existed, he probably never intended to create a new religion anyway.
Well - I would love to see proof that the bible is a "forgery"
Since we have no idea who wrote virtually ALL of the original texts - maybe with the exception of a few of Paul's letters - but not even all of them - how can one claim they are forged when we do not know what the original writings even said. I prefer to call them Fictions - rather than forgeries.
Even the religions will admit that while some of the bible was LATER attributed to some of the supposed Apostles - even they know that it would be highly unlikely - even if they actually were real.
As far as starting a new religion - it was started MUCH later than the time of the christ. Remember - even the last supper was a jewish ritual - although not a seder (That had not been invented yet)
(July 1, 2014 at 8:12 pm)Lek Wrote:(July 1, 2014 at 7:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: One looks like wasted atonement to you...and the other (hell) doesn't look like wasted effort?
If hell is correctional, followed by salvation, then it's not wasted effort. That's my opinion.
The most major problem with the claim of Hell and a devil for a supposedly monotheistic religion - which has a single creator - who is ALmighty - is that it contradicts the claim of the religion.
If a god is almighty -then there is NOTHING that it is in conflict with - it can overcome ANYTHING (The devil is not claimed to be almighty). AND - if there is only one god with the power of creation - it had to create EVIL as well as GOOD - and the only reason why there is a conlflict between good and evil is because the almighty god both created it and allows it to happen.
That conflicts with the ALL GOOD god claim - among others.
AS far as what hell is =- it is a threat the Humans who created religion (TO control the masses of uneducated people) - from which those masses are to be scared into doing what the leaders of the religion claim that the god wants.
