Evidence God Exists: Part II

[Watson]

I've been honest with you from the start: I was formerly a Christian, now currently an Atheist.

You've been honest with me based on your beliefs, and I've been honest with you based on mine. It just so happens that my beliefs contradict yours on this matter.

God, as I have come to know Him and understand Him, is a part of every one and every thing. That means that He is just as much a part of you as He is a part of me. So, from my beliefs and my perspective, denying God's existence is like denying you have an arm or a leg; it is simply ridiculous.

Well there's a nonsensical hypothesis: stating this 'God concept'

It's not a God concept; it's just God.

is a part of me is more or less claiming there's this really attractively sexy woman in my bed right now - I'm not denying her presence, she just isn't fucking there Watson! Much to my dismay and frustration.

No, it isn't like that at all. The analogy doesn't work because I can't predict what you would subjectively do if there was a sexy woman in your bed right now- though I can guess- but I can predict what you would subjectively do, or what anyone would subjectively do in certain scenarios if they denied God.

This is getting tiresome. Did you or did you not previously believe in god(s) at that time? You can't "consider yourself" an atheist whilst simultaneously holding onto theistic beliefs, that's a contradictory position.

You are clearly not getting it. My understanding and knowledge of God as it is right now is that God is a part of everything and everyone. Therefore, looking back on my Atheism, I can acknowledge that I was wrong in labeling myself an Atheist, because in my book, it is impossible to be an Atheist. I did not believe in God at the time. My belief is completely irrelevant, however, to His existence and effect on me.

I'm afraid before you can start "educating" others, you first need to define what this god thingy you propose actually is, and that is, you must provide a clear positive ontology for the God concept you think is real.

Which I have done throughout numerous posts on this forum, and which I have completely and entirely supported throughout my entire run here. Not only that, there is a fixed reference if you need to look into what I'm talking about...it's called the Bible! (As well as various other assorted holy books...of, Hell, just go talk to pretty much anyone; they'll share similar experiences with you!)

Which is, once again, entirely irrelevant to your earlier claim of being an atheist, people can and often do convert and de-convert.

No, it is not irrelevant, because my earlier claim that I was an Atheist is shown to be false through the very nature of God. What I am attempting to do now is illustrate that nature to you, an Atheist, so that you may understand why I take the stance that neither I, nor anyone, was ever an Atheist.

What I'm now asking from you is to make good on your burden of proof: prove God is real. Btw, I'm only asking you because fellow-former-atheist AngelThMan clearly can't be arsed to finish the debate he started. >.>

I have never claimed that I can prove to you that God is real- objectively. I can explain to you my subjective experiences with God and His nature, and it is up to you whetehr you believe or disbelieve me on them. When the time comes, you will recognize your own experiences as part of the same branch of experience as mine.

As an example, I cannot objectively prove to you that gravity is real; but I can show you its effects and explain its nature to you in the hopes that you will believe that, yes, it was in fact gravity that caused those results.

You're making horribly false causal connections about cognitive thought processes here; you have to learn about said belief

Do you have to learn that your parents aren't going to kill you as a child? Do you have to learn that your parents are your own parents as a child? No, you do not; these things are instinctual.

Like-wise, what I am stating here is that God is a part of all of life; you instincttually believe in your own life upon birth, you instinctually believe in your parents love upon birth; you do not need to be told to believe in these things. Since God is an integral and ingrained part of life, from my POV at least, you are born with the belief in God right off the bat.

You are confusing 'belief' and 'knowledge.' It seems to happen a lot here.

Likewise, I've been honest with you from the start: I was formerly a Christian, now currently an Atheist.

I know you've been honest with me from the start. I am asking you to be honest with yourself. And in my belief, you can't do that just yet.