(May 12, 2010 at 3:03 pm)Scented Nectar Wrote: Einstein had lots of varifiable measurements and math to indicate the probability of his theory, in fact those things are what made him think of the possibility.Just as I have many subjective measurements and observations which indicate the probability of my theory.
Quote:You have zero measurements or any other indicators whatsoever to even suggest the possibility of deities.Wrong.
Quote:How they react to the societal expectation to believe in gods doesn't matter as far as whether the gods are real or not....What?
Quote:The instinct when presented with the world around you is to believe that the world is real.And by my concept, God is all of the world around you. Thus, that instinctual belief in the world is an instinctual belief in God; without all the clutter of 'what will my parents think?' and 'what will society say?' and 'how will this affect me?' that occurs later in life.
Quote:It wasn't a choice.It was.
Quote:The default was a state of not having any thoughts whatsoever about invisible universe creators.Exactly. The default was living as if the world truly did exist and you needed no external proof to verify that.
Quote:When the idea was presented to me, and obviously without any proof or even indicators, well, of course the default then is to conclude it isn't real but be open to any evidence showing otherwise.I don't know you. I don't know what your beliefs were at the time. I can't make an accurate prediction because I don't have enough data at this time.

Quote:Regarding faith, why would I want to put any stock in it at all, much less more than I give real things?Why would you put any stock in anything if you didn't have faith in it? Do you simply not trust anyone or anything around you? Was your trust violated at some early age?
Quote:Faith is deciding to believe in things there is no evidence for.No. Faith is deciding to believe in things there is subjective, personal evidence for. Experience, in other words.
Quote:It's choosing to predetermine the facts before you know what they really are, and when you do find out what they really are, faith will make you refuse to accept the newer, more accurate information.This is not faith. Faith would simply have you examine the newer information more closely, ad decide for yourself whether or not your earlier concepts were right.
Quote:Faith is wilfull stupidity.Funny. Often when we talk and discuss things with others, we are talking more about ourselves than we are that other person.
