Evidence God Exists: Part II

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Just as I have many subjective measurements and observations which indicate the probability of my theory.

I'll bite, show me your measurements. I expect objective ones by the way, since that's what Einstein used and what you are comparing godproof to.

How they react to the societal expectation to believe in gods doesn't matter as far as whether the gods are real or not.

...What?

Your response to the sexy woman in bed not really being there, was to talk about how people act when they deny God's existence. The biggie that comes to mind is that they may respond differently than how a godbelieving society/family expects of them regarding religious issues such as church attendance, praying, teaching one's children to believe, etc. I was too narrow though, and would like to ask now, how one's reaction to not believing in a thing change the fact of whether the thing is real or not?

And by my concept, God is all of the world around you. Thus, that instinctual belief in the world is an instinctual belief in God; without all the clutter of 'what will my parents think?' and 'what will society say?' and 'how will this affect me?' that occurs later in life.

No, the world is the world. And my cat is my cat. And the lunch I ate was a lunch. Thoughts are thoughts. Beliefs are beliefs. Belief in the reality of the world happens when you are presented with a very real world being there for you to touch and see and perceive in a huge way. You can't believe in an invisible universe creator until two things happen, one, that being has to be perceived in some very real way, and two, one would have to be old enough to understand the concept that everything one's perceiving (the world/universe) could be created by that also perceived invisible god.

It wasn't a choice.

It was.

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The default was a state of not having any thoughts whatsoever about invisible universe creators.

Exactly. The default was living as if the world truly did exist and you needed no external proof to verify that.

The world's existence only becomes the default once it is perceived in some way. When does your god make itself known to us humans? We are not talking about the world, which I think we can all agree is perceivable, but of your invisible god.

When the idea was presented to me, and obviously without any proof or even indicators, well, of course the default then is to conclude it isn't real but be open to any evidence showing otherwise.

I don't know you. I don't know what your beliefs were at the time. I can't make an accurate prediction because I don't have enough data at this time.

That's fair about my beliefs, I could be making it up or delusional. From your view, it must be considered anecdotal. As to predicting, I would like to suggest that that means you can't state as a fact godbelief is instinctual, even if you believe that it was for you.

Why would you put any stock in anything if you didn't have faith in it?

I put stock into tons of stuff, all completely without using faith. Do you know the actual definition of the word faith?

Do you simply not trust anyone or anything around you? Was your trust violated at some early age?

No, why would you think that? I've probably had either an average or even better than average 'early age' than most people in the world. I was just simply never someone who blindly believed others. I have always trusted facts and my real perceptions over things people tell me. What puzzled me about the believers when I was a kid, was that they weren't usually wrong about things, yet they seemed to really believe this god stuff even though there were a bunch of holes in the story and the god was completely unperceivable, can't see him, hear him, etc. Yeah, yeah, I know in your imagination you can hear him, but let's not go there.

Faith is deciding to believe in things there is no evidence for.

No. Faith is deciding to believe in things there is subjective, personal evidence for. Experience, in other words.

Yikes, someone get this person a dictionary. It's the only humane thing to do people. Dial 911 on your phone. This is an emergency. Subjective personal stuff is not evidence. And faith is belief WITHOUT evidence. That's pretty much the whole point of the word.