RE: what are we supposed to say again when christians ask us where we get our morality?
July 5, 2014 at 11:17 pm
(July 5, 2014 at 11:02 pm)Irrational Wrote: Nature doesn't set criteria. We set them ourselves.Correct, we set the criteria. Who else would, and who else could lay claim in any case?
Quote: And then, based on these criteria, nature shows you whether or not an act fulfills the criteria or not.Correct.
Quote:With 2 + 2 = 4, or 1 + 2 =3, or earth being round, our observations of nature itself directly shows us the answer. We come up with the right language to describe what nature shows us, sure, but nature itself shows the answer without us having to come up with arbitrary criteria in order to be able to make some judgement.We do come up with criteria so that "nature can give us the answers". If we didn't, we wouldn't know whether or not we had any answers. My criteria aren't any more arbitrary than "2" or "4".
Quote:I don't judge that 2 + 2 = 4 and that the earth must be round. I observe that 2 + 2= 4 and that the earth is round (based on what the photographs of Earth show me).-and we can "observe" what is or is not "good" in the exactly same way.
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