RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
May 13, 2010 at 11:48 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2010 at 11:52 pm by Samson.)
Quote:And that's what I am attempting to point out; these lessons recorded in the Bible, these natural 'Laws of Human Nature' are observable and learnable in the real world, so that lots of religions predating Christianity had already observed them, as well. I find the Christian Bible and beliefs to be the most inclusive and knowledgeable when it comes to those lessons on the 'Laws of Human Nature', as I called them above.
I’m glad to know that you see the long line of moral teachings throughout human history, but that only shows that it was not a “Christian” teaching, but a human one. Again, my question of labeling yourself a “Christian” still applies…. And the reason I state this, is merely for the fact that there is no difference in the immoral acts from the Torah, Xtian Bible, and Qur’an etc.
In other words, it should already be obvious that our own instinct and secular surroundings is the most inclusive and knowledgeable aspects of human nature and what we have advanced from.
Quote:Thank you for believing me to be smart; I believe I am, too. xP
The experiences I am referring to, however, are not simply 'Goddidit' answers at all; they are honest observations of phenomena that I have experiened and found to be compatable with the exstence of God, if not, indicative of such a conclusion.
Just by stating that it’s an indicative conclusion of such phenomena, is still stating that; since you/we don’t have the answers, then goddidit…
As I stated earlier to Angel, if humanity would have concluded this type of thinking, then we would still be living in the dark ages of our history.
Quote:As I said, my approach is to observe humanity and honestly look at it in comparison to God and my understanding of Him; it something doesn't fit or make sense, I attempt to find a better conclusion than the one I have come to before.
I’m at a loss at what to respond to this…It’s too circular in every response. You are putting a “God/HIM” in the equation. Any research of observation you do, will still have a bottom line conclusion.
Quote:The world I observe is what is true and honest and perceivable; it is the same one you live in. I believe in that world without any subjective proof that it exists, only trusting my senses and their ability to give me an accurate depiction of the world around me.(Although, ironically, I'm color blind.)
God, as I understand Him, matches the observations I have made about the real world.
Since you have already concluded a supernatural entity, then it’s by far not the same world I observe. I don’t mean this statement to be depicting of you, but simply observations of our differences in observations.
Quote:And I do. I am a son of God, just like every single man on Earth is a son of God, just like Jesus was a son of God. The difference between Jesus and I is that Jesus was gifted with bein completely in-tune with God, which made him God's protege; the progidal son of God.
The only evidence you have for stating that “Jesus” was in tune with “God” is the Bible from which you put your “Faith” in. Does this make it factual?
Quote:Confucius was simply a man who taught of life the way he thought it needed to be lived. He, like me, made observations about the world and taught about them to the best of his ability. He was not, however, gifted by God with the same closeness that Jesus was. No, he was not God's protege; he was just another son of God.
How do you know this? The typical sarcastic response would be, “Because the Bible says so”, but I will reframe from saying this to you and simply ask an outlandish question of; have you ever thought that maybe “Jesus” was trying to teach more of an Eastern philosophy to his fellow men?
Quote:Buddha is debatable; Buddhism's beliefs are an observation of the world, just like Christianity's beliefs are an observation of the world. I believe the teachings of Jesus Christ match up with God's far more than the teachings of the Buddha.
Buddha simply continued the teachings of Confucius, as stated by Buddha on many levels. However, since both were 500 and 600+ years before a Christian book/Jesus, it should at least be an eye opener. That “Human Kind” was not so oblivious to morality before the book you claim is Godly.
Quote:I am a theist; Christianity is a branch of theism, one I find to be more precisely in-tune with God's truth and the observations I have made about the world.
Ok, I’ll buy that, but then the question of “God’s Hell” comes into place with what conclusions you have about it and the Bible’s definition of such a place.
Keep in mind, just as “Tack” on our forums; he has his own opinion of what a place would be. I’ve read the King James Bible and New American Standard from Genesis to Revelation. Both extremes state very bluntly of what “Hell” is and how it will be, and of course a Jesus concurs.
If you believe that “Christianity” is so finely in-tune with “God’s Truth”, then please tell me how a “Hell” comes into play, with your observations of an afterlife? Again, just keep in mind that your book “BLUNTLY” states how and what hell is……
Intelligence is the only true moral guide...