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Absolute truth and human understanding
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RE: Absolute truth and human understanding
(December 19, 2008 at 5:18 am)CoxRox Wrote: [Why does 'absolute' matter? In philosophical/relgious debates it appears, but in real life it doesn't seem to be that important. At the end of the day, we all decide what we 100% believe e.g I 100% believe I exist, I do not doubt this in any way, so to me my existence is absolute. It may not be to you, but it's how I perceive it that matters.
Am I talking gobaldy gook? Confused
In the debate on religion the claim of the absolute matters. And that is where quite a lot threads here end up. Several great thinkers have pointed out with good reasons that the absolute (if it exists at all) is not obtainable by man. Still that is the claim of religions and many other supernaturally based views.

Is the claim on the absolute relevant in daily life? At the end of the day, I for one don't decide on what I believe for 100%. I might decide where to put my 100% bet on, where to go for. But there is ALWAYS that skeptic in my head. During the day I decide on what is most probable given all information and keep to that as a working model untill new information sufficiently falsifies it. Your believe that you exist 100% isn't an absolute claim if you add that it is your perspective. That is a subjective claim and by all means you're entitled to have those.

If you ask me on the other hand if it's possible for me to doubt if I exist then my answer would indeed be yes. The doubt being more on the 'I'-part than on the 'exist'-part. Let me explain what I mean. I have no proof of control over the thoughts I think. I don't know where they originate, what influences them and where they are being caused. I might like to think so, but I can't trace my thoughts to 'inner workings'. The origin of my thoughts are essentially an enigma for me. Of course I can see some correlation and consistency in my thoughts, but I have no real proof that my thougts originate from one unchangeable entity that can b called 'I'. Also there are other clues that place doubt on the idea of an 'I' as an indepently existing entity. Science shows that thougths are influenced by hormones, dopamines, entropines, drugs and other chemicals. Also a genetic makeup plays a part. Can I really see myself as an independent entity from my body? Is the genetic makeup me or is this genetic makeup the thing 'me' has to put up with? Also, I am clearly different from the 'I' I was at age 10. Where has 'I' gone? So imo all kinds of doubts are indeed possible.

But let's be clear, that doubt is possible in this rather extreme example, in no way means I use my possible non-existence as a working model in daily live.Confused
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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Absolute truth and human understanding - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2008 at 3:07 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Tiberius - December 12, 2008 at 3:37 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2008 at 3:43 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Tiberius - December 12, 2008 at 4:11 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2008 at 4:38 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 9:05 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Eilonnwy - December 18, 2008 at 11:03 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2008 at 11:22 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Kyuuketsuki - December 19, 2008 at 4:41 am
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by CoxRox - December 19, 2008 at 5:18 am
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Kyuuketsuki - December 19, 2008 at 8:21 am
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Edwardo Piet - December 19, 2008 at 11:18 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Purple Rabbit - December 20, 2008 at 12:05 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by CoxRox - December 19, 2008 at 11:56 am
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Tiberius - December 19, 2008 at 11:03 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Edwardo Piet - December 20, 2008 at 9:07 pm
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2008 at 8:35 am
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Edwardo Piet - December 21, 2008 at 9:00 am
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2008 at 9:37 am
RE: Absolute truth and human understanding - by Edwardo Piet - December 21, 2008 at 9:50 am

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