(May 13, 2010 at 10:11 am)Watson Wrote: Did you completely ignore that I said my observations and measurements were subjective? Are you just blanking out certain words so you can demand empirical evidence for non-empirically provable of me? No wonder you're Atheist.Subjective is no good, since you are the only one who can use that as evidence. Both subjective and empirical evidence are no good for this. Objective evidence is the only thing that must be used for the purposes of expecting to convince others. Also, you compared it to Einstein and black holes. Einstein used objective evidence to form any ideas regarding the existence of black holes. What objective evidence do you have to demonstrate to others about your god's existence?
Quote:Oh, and stop saying 'invisible universe creator.' It makes you sound incredibly ignorant, because it's a misunderstanding of what God is and what He appears to be.Do you not believe that your god created the universe? Also, he is invisible. Can you see the fairies that live in my garden? All you have to do to see them is to see the plants and soil. Garden is a garden is a fairy. You can see that, can't you? Are you an afairyist, or a fairy believer?
Quote:You don't believe something until you either perceive it yourself through physical senses and evidence, trust another person's beliefs, or come up with the idea in your own head and trust it to be true.Quote:The world's existence only becomes the default once it is perceived in some way.Which in my book is through belief.
Quote:You can't recognize something as being a god until you perceive it first. If you recognize something (you think there is a god) that you didn't actually perceive (you perceived the world), that is delusion or trust gullibility.Quote:When does your god make itself known to us humans?All the time, every time, throughout the world and throughout life. It is up to us to perceive and recognize it as such.
Quote:Yes, we all agree the world is perceivable; I am simply stating that, based on what I understand of God's nature, 'the world' and 'God' are synonymous words.No they are not. You do not get to redefine words at whim. At http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/world, gods appear nowhere in the definition. In fact, one definition specifically says "12. Secular life and its concerns: a man of the world."
Quote:I know the definition of the word faith; I have faith, of course I know its definition. I simply find its real definition and nature to be, more than likely, contradictory to the dictionary one. I find the dictionary definitions of real life things are usually inaccurate.When talking to other people, you should preface everything that has your personal definition with what that definition is. Otherwise no one will know that you mean something different than the word's real definition.
Quote:And again, screw dictionary definitions. They aren't always accurate.Then state your personal redefinitions before each time you use them. Do you expect people to read your mind?
Quote:There is no way of seperating the subjective perception from the objective reality.You can at least separate it to the clear point of stuff that convinces everyone versus stuff that only convinces yourself (plus people who believe what you believe on trust).
Quote:You say you don't believe me, which is a denial of belief; you are denying that you believe, I am proposing that you do.Being 'in denial' about something you really do believe, and denying something because you really don't beieve it are two different things.