(July 24, 2014 at 4:20 pm)alpha male Wrote:Presumably, until the serpent came along the only commands they received were from god. Thus, there isn't any reason to think that they needed to be able to discern right and wrong; god determines what is right and wrong. All they needed to do was obey.(July 24, 2014 at 3:50 pm)Tonus Wrote: If they were used to doing as they were told,Why would they do as they're told?
alpha male Wrote:No, Eve did not convince Adam. Further, we;re told in the NT that Eve was deceived, but Adam wasn't. Adam knew what he was doing.I am assuming that she convinced him, but you're right-- the account simply states that she gave him the fruit and he ate, as he confirms when god questions him. That is more in line with him being used to doing as he is told and not needing convincing.
The line in the NT makes me wonder. What did Adam know that Eve did not? The story only tells us that she gave him of the fruit and he ate. Paul claims that Adam was not deceived, but the account gives no detail. And Adam and Eve are equally judged and punished, so did it matter that one was deceived and the other was not? If it didn't, then I think it reinforces the point that unwavering obedience was the key, not whether they understood the magnitude of their actions or not.
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