RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 28, 2014 at 10:46 pm
(July 27, 2014 at 7:56 am)RobbyPants Wrote:most of the cosmos's effects over the 13 billions haven't been observed by humans. now, angels that's might be different: God asked Job, “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation … and all the angels shouted for joy?(July 26, 2014 at 9:56 pm)snowtracks Wrote: beginnings only make sense were time is linear like the our cosmic time line that's unidirectional and unstoppable. according the big bang cosmology theory: time, space, energy, matter began 13 billion years ago. if God caused the universe, by necessitate then He has access to at least another time dim. or it's equivalent.
Exactly. Now, prove that the universe began. No one witnessed its beginning. For all we know, the universe as we know it began with the big bang. How do you know there isn't some portion of the universe that exists outside of time that we cannot observe? Now, yes, this is speculative, but so is God. At the end of the day, I'll say "I don't know" when you asked me how it started, but you'll smugly say "God", like you've somehow solved the problem.
While the notion of the universe having no beginning may seem stupid do you, remember: you're totally fine with a god that has no beginning. You're just picking an unsupported "solution" to the cosmological argument that happens to match the narrative you already have.
"How do you know the universe has a cause, then?"
have accepted that there is duel revelation: book of nature, book of scripture which will always be in harmony with no possibility of contradiction - this is stated in the belgic confession:
Article 2: The Means by Which We Know God
•We know him by two means:
First, by the creation, preservation, and government of the universe, since that universe is before our eyes like a beautiful book in which all creatures, great and small, are as letters to make us ponder the invisible things of God: his eternal power and his divinity, as the apostle Paul says in Romans 1:20.
All these things are enough to convict men and to leave them without excuse.
Second, he makes himself known to us more openly by his holy and divine Word, as much as we need in this life, for his glory and for the salvation of his own.
however science in not the same as nature, and systematic theology is not the same as the words of scripture. like science , theology involves human interpretation which may be inaccurate. if there is discord between these two, there exist an incomplete understanding or faulty interpretation that will be resolve with a more complete knowledge. these are the two basic tools for the detectability of the divine.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.