God's injustice towards Adam and Eve

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And the 'created' qualifier is the power gap which justifies any harm the creator desires to inflict upon the creation. You repeatedly insist that the creation has no rights in this scenario, which is a statement demonstrating your opinion of the proper behavior of the less powerful.

Is this really too much for you to grasp? The creator has the right over the created. Scripture is clear that this distinction is the reason God has the right to do with us as He pleases. I realize as an atheist you naturally gravitate towards a simple “might makes right” system of morality but this is far more sophisticated and internally consistent than that.

Since you wouldn't have any right to even breathe my oxygen if you were my physical property, I suppose your god would have to take up any objections with me personally. I hear he's not much into that sort of thing these days.

He’d have an eternity to do so with you, that’s a long time.

Might would objectively make right no more or less in the absence of Christianity. I just don't know how you can believe "God has the right to destroy us because he made us" and "Christianity is not might makes right" simultaneously without having an aneurysm.

Nice attempt at deflecting the question. In a purely natural Universe why would might not make right?

A comprehensive list of examples can be found here.

That’s me, but where did I use the argument, “Well you cannot prove a negative so God exists”? I need a specific example. Me thinks you cannot provide one because you do not know what you’re talking about.

Can I just ask, what is the logic behind the "I created you, therefore I own you" position? It seems like a total non sequitur to me.

How is that a non-sequitur? We use the exact same reasoning daily, Walt Disney owns Mickey Mouse. Makes perfect sense.

Whatever the logic is, just remember that "God has the right to destroy his creatures because He owns them" is pretty much totally not the same thing as "might makes right", if you close your eyes and try real hard.

It’s not the same thing. The Nazis had power over the Jews but they did not create them or own them. It’s laughable you cannot understand the distinction there. Do you really just run around all day thinking that you own anyone you are stronger than? Do the police own you? Does America own France?

SW, sorry not to reply to your response to me in full. The gist of your position seems so like circular reasoning and presupposition to me that I can't fathom a way to interpret it otherwise.

Presupposition is not the same thing as circular reasoning so you’ll have to be more specific as to which I am invoking.

If you're a presuppositionalist there's no point in trying to reason with you, you abandoned reason entirely when you decided it's okay to take assuming you're right as your axiom. That's a rabbit hole, and I don't see anything rational to be gained by following you down it.

Convenient. Everyone has axioms and there is nothing irrational about having them as long as they lead to a coherent and consistent conceptual scheme.

Besides, you apparently believe we all secretly agree with you anyway, and what's the point of having a discussion with someone like that?

Everyone knows God exists that’s correct (Romans 1), I cannot figure out why you seem so surprised that you’re debating a Christian who actually believes what the Bible says. I do not see how that makes discussion pointless however. It’s a shame because you are one of the more enjoyable posters to engage with on here.

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