Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

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So, my take home from all that is two things:

1) You seem to be implying that the cosmological argument is not a good one, as you seem to have abandoned it (yet you haven't explicitly said this).

2) The new way you're now defending knowing God's existence is a combination of trusting one particular book of mythology over all the others combined with lots of presupposition.


Am I right? Are you abandoning the cosmological argument as a valid way to assert God's existence?

never have posted an argument to prove God's existence; although, do think that the cosmological argument is persuasive . what i post are the viewpoints of a Christian that holds to a duel 'book' revelation which includes an 'old age earth' viewpoint. not my purpose to convert or cajole new age earth believers, or atheists. after all, i completely endorse free will (the garden of eden was 'very good' (not perfect), and God made it even better by introducing free will. one purpose for God creating the universe involves the excercise of free will: certain ones will elect to be part of the new creation. this current 'old universe will be destroyed by fire ("The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire...All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll"; the timing will be immediately after the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth (rather amazing that after 13 billion year, we are in astronomical time at the very edge of it's extinction, it will have served it's purposes).

it's clear that when everyone who dies, they will have a clear understanding that God exist. if they currently say they don't, that's because of a willful effort on their part; oftentimes, they cloak that willfulness with a veneer of citing intellectual problems with the evidence. that being said: the determining factor in being part of the new creation is not a belief in God existence.

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We've been through this before:

book of biblical scripture says Joshua fought the battle of Jericho and the walls came tumbling down; book of nature says he did not.

book of biblical scripture says the Israelites migrated out of Egypt; book of nature says they did not.

book of biblical scripture says a global flood occurred; book of nature says it did not.

book of biblical scripture says that sin is transmitted by the flesh; book of nature shows no biological mechanism for the transmission of sin.

book of biblical scripture says we have an immaterial soul; book of nature says we have no such thing animating us, only biological brains.

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