RE: God's injustice towards Adam and Eve
July 31, 2014 at 6:25 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2014 at 6:29 pm by Ryantology.)
(July 30, 2014 at 5:19 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Is this really too much for you to grasp? The creator has the right over the created. Scripture is clear that this distinction is the reason God has the right to do with us as He pleases. I realize as an atheist you naturally gravitate towards a simple “might makes right” system of morality but this is far more sophisticated and internally consistent than that.
If I gravitated towards a simple 'might makes right' system, I would have never left Christianity behind, because that's precisely what you describe. I won't even bother asking you to justify this stupid idea that being a creation means I have no rights of any kind, because I know you can't do it. What I will bother asking you is, how can God enforce his alleged superiority over humanity? The Bible indicates plenty of examples, and every single one of them from start to finish involves asserting his power.
If Christianity isn't just 'might makes right' with decorative cake frosting on it, what compels us to give a damn about Christianity?
Quote:He’d have an eternity to do so with you, that’s a long time.
Can't do it while anybody's looking, though. That might indicate he's not the product of a mass delusion.
Quote:Nice attempt at deflecting the question. In a purely natural Universe why would might not make right?
Did I say it wouldn't? I just looked at my previous post and I feel quite sure that I said nothing about might not making right in our purely natural universe. Might will make right anywhere that enough people decide that it does, such as in the Christian religion.
Now, while I did not deflect the question, you completely did, as you ignored entirely the second part of that quoted segment in which I asked you a question.
Quote:That’s me, but where did I use the argument, “Well you cannot prove a negative so God exists”? I need a specific example. Me thinks you cannot provide one because you do not know what you’re talking about.
It's not about the existence of God, it's about all sorts of things.
One example from this thread:
Quote:How is it injustice? Merely asserting that does not make it so.
In response to the OP, which you gishgalloped in your characteristic fashion and should have noticed at some point that the entire post described my opinion at some length and detail. It's pointless going further on that particular score, because you've invented your own definition for the word "justice" designed specifically to absolve your god of any responsibility, and we're comparing two different kinds of tasty fruits here.
You don't frame it precisely as "it's true if you can't prove it's not". You tend to frame it as "Prove that this is injustice", as if justice is something that can be objectively quantified. It's "God is just unless you can prove he's not". Variations on a theme, almost certainly because you know better than to be blunt about it.
Since you can't offer a shred of proof that there is a God, that's some incredible nerve.
Quote:How is that a non-sequitur? We use the exact same reasoning daily, Walt Disney owns Mickey Mouse. Makes perfect sense.
The fact that you have to resort to an example featuring a fictional character, defend the actions of another fictional character, says all that needs to be said about how terrible an argument you make.
Quote:It’s not the same thing. The Nazis had power over the Jews but they did not create them or own them. It’s laughable you cannot understand the distinction there. Do you really just run around all day thinking that you own anyone you are stronger than? Do the police own you? Does America own France?
What you are saying, then, is that according to (your version of) Christian morality, the only detail that makes the Holocaust wrong is the fact that the Nazis didn't create the Jews.