(July 31, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You’re distinction is irrelevant. If you create something you own it, God created us therefore God owns us. We cannot own other people because we did not create them, God did.
Sorry Stat, I missed your response the first time around. That said, I don't find this a particularly compelling point, because exceptions do exist for things. I would argue that sentience and consciousness past a certain level of complexity would count as a good exception to this rule of yours, even assuming I decide to play ball with what is, at its heart, a bare assertion to begin with.
I would also ask how you're using the word "create" here, because there seems to be some inconsistencies. You say that god created me, but really he didn't; my parents created me in the usual way, without god having to do any of his usual creative magic in the process. How did god have any hand in that at all? Christians like to bring up free will as a reason why we sin, but doesn't that same free will prevent god from having any guiding hand in my conception at all? You've either got a god who respects free will, in which case he had no bearing on my parents deciding to procreate and have me, or you've got a god that doesn't respect free will, in which case he mind controlled my parents to procreate and have me against their wills, which is in itself pretty screwed up.
You might argue that god provided the initial materials and the process of procreation, but in that argument your example of Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse goes right out the window, as the initial materials used in the creation of Mickey belong to god too, and hence in that example the creator doesn't own his creation, someone else does. Moreover, this point- should you choose to raise it- isn't even true: we routinely allow intellectual property rights to fall to the creator of a thing, even when it was made on "borrowed" materials. All violin music isn't property of the inventor of the violin, after all.
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