(August 1, 2014 at 9:54 am)Esquilax Wrote: I'm also not claiming fiat ownership over anything to the degree that god apparently does.As you shouldn't. Even when we create things, we're working on things already created by god, using abilities given to us by god. Our ownership of what we create doesn't equal god's. Yet, if you build a boat I don't have a right to come and sail it, or if you just string words together and copyright them, I don't have the right to use them for profit.
Quote:Whether we're created, evolved, whatever, the fact is that we're somewhat unique, when compared to other objects.Well, no, if we're created, we're on a continuum from inanimate objects to different kinds of animals to humans to angels to God.
Quote:We're intelligent, capable of making our own decisions, and by all accounts, are roughly allowed to get on with things by the god that would claim ownership over us. As a species with free will and emergent intelligence, I contend that these traits allow us to surpass god's ownership and become self-determining.You can contend anything you like. You haven't supported your contention logically.
Quote:You may be inclined to argue that this doesn't exclude the animals that we own, but I would point out the vast difference between this and what we're being asked to accept with god. For one, we don't "own" animals in the sense that we get to determine their eventual fate, nor subject them to cruel treatment, and that even the ones that we kill come to that end due to our needs as biological entities, which god does not share. The two situations are not remotely similar.I agree - God's ownership is much stronger than ours (as noted above), therefore he gets greater ownership rights than we do - and we take ours pretty seriously.
