RE: POLL: What's your definition of an agnostic? Atheist?
May 29, 2010 at 6:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2010 at 6:19 pm by Violet.)
(May 28, 2010 at 7:41 am)Tiberius Wrote:(May 27, 2010 at 8:40 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: The problem with the "agnostic" one is that I would define agnostic as "one who doesn't take a position either way on the possibility of God's existence," and it was hard to find a definition on that list that would match.The correct definition is "the view that the existence of god is unknown or unknowable. It deals solely with knowledge and not belief so agnosticism is not a belief and therefore not related to theism or atheism."
Rather, agnosticism is literally the belief that knowledge is impossible (or the lack of belief that things must necessarily be knowable). Gnosticism, in contrast, is literally the belief that things can be known.

Of course, if we are not being literal, then 'gnosticism' could refer especially to 'mystical' knowledge (and whether it can be known)... to a 2nd century christian church... to whatever we interpret it to mean. Strange things can happen when defining words when one is not being literal ^_< 'Agnosticism' is in each of these cases 'not'-gnosticism or 'anti'-gnosticism.
Under the literal definition (if not the commonly used one)... I am indeed a gnostic (in a subjective sense, of course... and not necessarily an intersubjective sense (though I do believe it is also in this case)). When it comes specifically to wether gods can be 'known', I remain a gnostic. When it comes to specifically wether gods can be known intersubjectively (or wether any scientific knowledge of wether gods exist is possible): I am an agnostic in the sense that I have a lack of belief in anything regarding the issue

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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day