RE: "Jewish state"..........
August 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2014 at 2:26 pm by Brian37.)
OH MY GOD! THOR ALLAH AND YAWHEH!
Christians in America use the same flawed logic. YES NON CHRISTIANS ARE PROTECTED, not by Christianity, but by the Constitution. That is the part CHRISTIANS FORGET.
Now again the TALMUD is a holy book, to pretend it isn't IS BULLSHIT. It would be like pretending the bible is secular while at the same time saying "Christian nation". Either you are secular or you are not.
YES THERE ARE NON JEWS PROTECTED THERE, but it is still the same watered down social pecking order bad logic Christians try to claim here when they say non Christians are equal but at the same time say "Christian nation". If America is not bible based then saying "Christian nation" is a contradiction.
If Israel is secular then claiming to base it on the Talmud is just as contradictory.
It is still winking at one group and setting up a social pecking order. "We are not fascists" and "we protect the minority" IS NOT THE ISSUE.
Again, speaking only for America's history and it's long struggle for inclusion, has unfortunately had to always be drug kicking and screaming into more inclusion. IT is because of bad human logic in using the term "Christian nation". That argument no matter how someone wants claim it is secular is an attitude that puts Christians at the top of the social pecking order. Otherwise if there would be no one saying it at all.
"Jewish state" is simply the same flawed logic I see when I hear "Christian nation". It sets up a social pecking order, EVEN IF IT PROTECTS MINORITIES. It is still saying "Yea we will let you live here". It isn't just a matter of "letting someone" it is a matter of seeing them as equal, and not merely a house guest.
Now again, just this week Netenyahu said that the "Jewish state" would be law based on the Talmud. If the Talmud represents Jews FOR WHATEVER REASON, ethnic or religious, the book itself is a religious book. No different to me than when Christians like to claim our laws are bible based.
You do not treat minorities as equal by winking at a majority in law language. It is tokenism and a social pecking order no matter what excuse you give.
Race religion whatever, all you have to do to be secular is to keep government out of name dropping and make the common law equal. You start winking at group names in law language outside "equal protection" you are setting up a social pecking order. Just say "freedom of religion" and leave it at that.
Christians in America use the same flawed logic. YES NON CHRISTIANS ARE PROTECTED, not by Christianity, but by the Constitution. That is the part CHRISTIANS FORGET.
Now again the TALMUD is a holy book, to pretend it isn't IS BULLSHIT. It would be like pretending the bible is secular while at the same time saying "Christian nation". Either you are secular or you are not.
YES THERE ARE NON JEWS PROTECTED THERE, but it is still the same watered down social pecking order bad logic Christians try to claim here when they say non Christians are equal but at the same time say "Christian nation". If America is not bible based then saying "Christian nation" is a contradiction.
If Israel is secular then claiming to base it on the Talmud is just as contradictory.
It is still winking at one group and setting up a social pecking order. "We are not fascists" and "we protect the minority" IS NOT THE ISSUE.
Again, speaking only for America's history and it's long struggle for inclusion, has unfortunately had to always be drug kicking and screaming into more inclusion. IT is because of bad human logic in using the term "Christian nation". That argument no matter how someone wants claim it is secular is an attitude that puts Christians at the top of the social pecking order. Otherwise if there would be no one saying it at all.
"Jewish state" is simply the same flawed logic I see when I hear "Christian nation". It sets up a social pecking order, EVEN IF IT PROTECTS MINORITIES. It is still saying "Yea we will let you live here". It isn't just a matter of "letting someone" it is a matter of seeing them as equal, and not merely a house guest.
Now again, just this week Netenyahu said that the "Jewish state" would be law based on the Talmud. If the Talmud represents Jews FOR WHATEVER REASON, ethnic or religious, the book itself is a religious book. No different to me than when Christians like to claim our laws are bible based.
You do not treat minorities as equal by winking at a majority in law language. It is tokenism and a social pecking order no matter what excuse you give.
Race religion whatever, all you have to do to be secular is to keep government out of name dropping and make the common law equal. You start winking at group names in law language outside "equal protection" you are setting up a social pecking order. Just say "freedom of religion" and leave it at that.
