(August 11, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Drich Wrote:Quote:I'm suggesting that if your method of looking will turn up a number of very different contradictory gods, it's a bad method, that confirms what you were seeking, whatever it was that you were seeking. As it confirms anything you look for, it's simply a method of self delusion.
actually it won't because none of the other gods make this claim.
That's not to say someone steeped in self delusion could not use this method to confirm whatever he likes. But, again as I have illustrated some perfectly adjusted member of society could also use this method to find themselves a spouse.
That's absurd. Either it works or it doesn't. To suggest that looking for gods other than yours is ignoble, presupposes the answer thus negating the need for the tool.
Drich Wrote:Quote:Sorry, a lifetime of looking is not remotely reasonable. If someone told me to look for an elephant in my house and a day's looking didn't turn up an elephant I'd stop. Any sensible person would.and if you wanted to find a husband, but could not find a suitable mate right away? Then what would you quit just because your first attempts failed? Or would you keep looking?
You missed the point. Men exist. There's no reason to believe god does.
Drich Wrote:Quote:There's plenty of evidence marriageable men exist and none that god does.only if you know where to look. If you only looked at a battered woman's shelter (where their is an absence of real love that a husband shares with a wife) or if you looked in a country where the married women are made to wear big black sheets, I'd bet you would have a different opinion. But rather because you haven't given up on getting marriage you have seen at least a glimmer of the positive love a man can have for his wife somewhere.
The same is true with our relationship with God. One can not see evidences, if one does not know where or how to look. (It's like only viewing love through that women's shelter.)
It would be very hard not to see the existence of men good or bad. God on the other hand is very much absent from view everywhere including the church.
(August 11, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Drich Wrote:Quote: If I had been looking for unicorns, I have given up long before 30.And what if you were privy to have met a unicorn once?
Would you give up so easily?Quote:The funny thing about 'no God required morality' is that it's tied to our various societies. Get the wrong one and your putting God's people into gas chambers and then ovens.
I might look longer, but not if I'd only seen the unicorn in my head. BUT if haven't met god, not even once.
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[quote] Thanks, but no. I've found a sense of morality, no god required. What is a "spiritual hippy sense of morality" and why would anyone want it?
And no, it's not like looking for your car keys. The keys exist and you need them. God doesn't and I don't need him.
Like god required morality that leads to burning people at the stake for heresy? Or stoning women for being raped? Frankly, no god required morality tends to be, well, more moral.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.