This was posted on a different forum where someone claimed that humans need God like plants need the Sun, but I think a lot of it applies here.
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Basically, I hear this argument all the time, Dale. And I've kind of have gotten fed up with it a little bit. Because the idea of "plants not recognizing the sun" is comparing that rather obvious fact (that the Sun nourishes plants) to the existence of God, which is obviously NOT an obvious fact, or it would just be something that people never argue about, as no one in their right mind would dispute the existence of the Sun.
However, I was a Catholic for twenty years of my life (not by choice mind you, but through the silly forcing of a child into it by baptism), suffered through death in the family, disability, illness, depression, etc. and have not come anywhere close to the experiences that you claim. So to claim indirectly through your metaphor that you are staring an obvious fact in the face makes me go:
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Well, if God is so obvious, and if it's so obvious also that only through knowing God can we live to our full potential, I'd love to see the obvious evidence for that. Oh wait...
You, of course, see what I mean.
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Basically, I hear this argument all the time, Dale. And I've kind of have gotten fed up with it a little bit. Because the idea of "plants not recognizing the sun" is comparing that rather obvious fact (that the Sun nourishes plants) to the existence of God, which is obviously NOT an obvious fact, or it would just be something that people never argue about, as no one in their right mind would dispute the existence of the Sun.
However, I was a Catholic for twenty years of my life (not by choice mind you, but through the silly forcing of a child into it by baptism), suffered through death in the family, disability, illness, depression, etc. and have not come anywhere close to the experiences that you claim. So to claim indirectly through your metaphor that you are staring an obvious fact in the face makes me go:
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Well, if God is so obvious, and if it's so obvious also that only through knowing God can we live to our full potential, I'd love to see the obvious evidence for that. Oh wait...
You, of course, see what I mean.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.