RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 13, 2014 at 2:05 am
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2014 at 2:09 am by Drich.)
(August 12, 2014 at 8:53 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Are you being deliberately obtuse? You either sensed your god's presence or you didn't. My point is that sensation, in whatever form may have been mistaken.again, out of what I have said what makes you believe that I am privy to 'feelings' as my confirmation of God working in my life?
I told you I have been given insight and wisdom concerning my business and exegetical matters. Of which I never went to school for nor have I studied. I hold two technically heavy patents in refrigeration industry, my business was just move into a much much larger and more modern facility, all by the influence and provision of God.
Not to mention a stellar track record in answering questions in this web site and others.
None of which had to do with 'feeling' anything.
God presented me with opportunity and the knowledge needed and I was faithful to what I was given.
Quote:Aside from the fact that this claim of yours is obviously incorrect, you're ignoring how rude and arrogant you're being.uhh, no. I unlike you do not read emotion into statements like the one you just made. I read it, proof it, and outline where it is in error. Or I acknowledge it.
So I'll return you the favor and tell you that your feeling of your god's presence/spirit/holy ghost is strong evidence of psychosis.
Get the point now?
If being rude is showing you how your wrong, then you are correct I will be rude. If being arrogant is not being apologetic because you bringing false information into a conversation and choose to stand by it, while I press the truth then you are right I will be arrogant.
For example you are standing by the idea that I feel God's presents, just so you can give me some fail sudo-pop psychology diagnosis. It like you have a goal of labeling me and you do not care what logical fallacies you just commit to make your sudo-pop diagnosis stick.
So allow me to dismantle your straw man in greater detail.
What I feel as a believer that I did not before is a greater capacity for love, contentment, peace and joy. While these are attributes associated with being a follower, no where in the bible does it say standing before God in his presents induces these feelings. Quite the opposite really. Standing before God or even angels generally induces tremendous fear and forces the person to the ground. I do not feel this way. Therefore I do not "feel" God. If your old religion taught you that one must "feel God" maybe that is the cornerstone of the foolish mans house you must let wash away, before you are ready to receive Him.
So one may ask if one does not 'feel' God how do we know we received the Holy Spirit?
Again through the external evidences of Spiritual fruit and Spiritual gifts. (Gal 5 and 1 cor 12) In my answer to you I have mentioned both. In neither list is "feeling the presences of God" ever mentioned.
Quote:(August 11, 2014 at 3:18 pm)Drich Wrote: no where in the bible does it say God is an Omni max God. If you believe otherwise please provide book chapter and verse.
Thanks for asking. See, I can do this A/S/K thing. You ask me something, I am happy to answer ... unlike an imaginary deity who comes to mind. Here, here's just a few references to your god's power, as listed in your holy book. I'm surprised you don't seem to know this ... I would think someone claiming to worship a being would study every scrap of material about him. Anyway:
Your god is omnipresent.
He runs everything, even down to the flight of sparrows. See also Romans 1:20
Being omnipotent, or all-powerful, obviously includes being omniscient, for if one can do anything, one can look into the future, or past, or into a man's heart. But, you don't need to take my ord for it; your own Bible says as much.
So, we have omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience, sourced from your Bible.
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So... Your defination of Omni max does not including an all loving/Omni-benevolent God?
After all how can a god be "Omnimax" if a critical Omni aspect/Omnibenevolent has been left out..
I only ask because this Omni aspect normally attributed to God be the RC church and even most atheists has been omitted from your list of Omni attributes.. I mean you have book chapter and verse on the other three, but this Omni aspect was not even mentioned. Why is that?
Quote:On the other hand, after going through the above referencing for you, I'm even more convinced that you really don't know what you're talking about, you have an incomplete knowledge of the Bible, and that means that your perception of your god, however it came about, is even more likely to be wishful thinking and nothing more.
I'm surprised your god would have such a poor emissary. Certainly if you're going to spread the word, you should first know, don'tcha think?
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Maybe before you declare victory next time, make sure I first concede the point. Meanwhile maybe take the time and answer my omni benevolence question, and then reconcile that answer to your claim of an Omni max God.
Quote:As shown above, you don't even know what the Bible says about your god, so any claims you make about his nature lack any credibility.
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Quote:No, your god doesn't exist, so after a time, I did the sensible thing: I put away my childish things, and moved on to more remunerative pursuits.
As I have established.. It would seem you only proved to yourself that you version of God is what does not exist.[/quote]
(August 12, 2014 at 9:07 am)Tonus Wrote:(August 11, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Drich Wrote: That's not to say someone steeped in self delusion could not use this method to confirm whatever he likes. But, again as I have illustrated some perfectly adjusted member of society could also use this method to find themselves a spouse.I think that this is an important point. Researchers are finding that our minds use a great deal of self-delusion; the things we are taught, the things we are told, the things we tell ourselves, the things we experience... all of these lead our minds to form our perception of the world, and how we deal with the world. Most people who succeed are highly optimistic and self-confident, far more than was probably warranted. By the same token, most people who fail are pessimistic and lack confidence, and they do much more poorly than their knowledge and skills would predict. We are who/what we think we are.
I think that finding god comes down to how deeply invested you are in finding him, much in the same way that achieving success in any endeavor is greatly influenced by how determined and confident you are. It may explain why it seems common for people who are hurting or in some kind of need to be more likely to 'find' god: he's a great psychological crutch in some situations.
Or maybe when we are in need we meet the requirements of humility needed to finally hear God.